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Old 12/24/05, 06:04 PM
 
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the little key cards

I moved to Virginia and had to live in my RV for a couple of months. I used the RV park address for my little key cards. I hope they used the the ads and offers well.
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Old 12/24/05, 06:09 PM
 
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You know I'd assume that if peoples pets and/or livestock had eaten feed that was contaminated with something contagious that they would want to know. It's a fact of life every time you buy something with a check or credit card it eventually is downloaded into a national database. This is how they track people that are buying items for meth and explosives. They've been doing this for years.

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Old 12/24/05, 06:37 PM
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Just bought a 25 lb. bag of scratch at my local D&B feedstore, no one asked any questions.

Hmmm.
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Old 12/24/05, 06:42 PM
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maybe if we buy plastic and duct tape... nah.
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Old 12/25/05, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jnap31
Hello every one I am in Kosovo now and should have time to post again.I just learned about the NAIS program on the boards and researched there web site it is very scary stuff.When I get back to AR in a year and start my place back up it is going to be better than ever with dexter cattle, goats,Honey bees,rare poultry and everything inbetween.I will put everything I have into growing food to sell at the fayetteville farmers market.Sadly I am not willing to register my farm or animals though and put id chips in them.The moment it all becomes mandatory I am selling everything and moving to a free country perhaps in south america.It's a lot easier to pick breadfruit off trees anyway then dig potatoes,and the grass grows all year round lots of places down there.
a large number of amish moved to south america many years ago to farm. The land is cheap and plentiful. I just don't care to be bit by a two step.
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Old 12/25/05, 03:31 PM
 
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I have a commercial Breeder Hen farm and the Dept of Ag came out last year and got a G.P.S. reading on our farm for Homeland Security?? Kamakazi chickens I guess?? The feed store keeps our name and address and was able to contact me about some recalled dog food so I guess it could have a good use.
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Old 12/25/05, 09:26 PM
 
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This problem will solve itself. Already as we speak catfood has gotten too expensive for us seniours to eat.
Try "Cat's in the Kettle" at www.bobrivers.com

bought some dog treats Friday. Paid cash, no questions asked. My frequent shopper card has an ex-GF's name and address, and she's moved at least twice since. Just give me the instore discount, forget the coupons. get them in the paper anyway
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Old 12/26/05, 04:17 PM
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If you were to refuse to give personal information to the Feed Store would that feedstore refuse to make the Sale. I think not. Just tell them no thanks when they ask for the infomation. Most people justcomply when asked a question. It should not be necessary we are not buy the feed from the government we are buying from a private business.... or are we??

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yes, they refuse to sell.

this another case of liberties being taken away all under the guise of health and safety. moral laws are being outed and frivolous laws are being pushed.

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should everyone buckleup for safety? I think so. should it be an enforced law, I do not think so. funny that someone can injure their own person if they want, even to the point of so called "euthanasia" but risk their own life in their own car be it folly or not, they have no right to it?
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Old 12/26/05, 05:07 PM
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Back in the late sixties and early seventies a lot of us rebels would use Richard Nixon's Social Security Number when pushed by some jerk for our number. I remain less than interested in supplying mine to anyone for any reason.

Does anybody know W's SSN????

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I am with you bearkiller... use W's or make one up...
I am certainly not going to give mine when buying animal feed...

Maybe Tom Delay's or Jeb Bush's would do..
http://www.opcva.com/watchdog/RECORDS.html

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Old 12/26/05, 05:38 PM
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I'm constantly surprised at what is covered under the Homeland Security and Patriot Act.
On another homesteader site I just read an article about folks who could not get a PO Box or a bank account because of these laws...

what will be next? We will have to indentify ourselves to buy the seed to grow our own grain lest we be growing it for animals?

BTW, Dog food is over 50cents a can in most places round here. At wally world you can buy cheapie pot pies for less than that..... My dogs LOVE pot pies.
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Old 12/26/05, 05:49 PM
 
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It is ALL food...

As far as I can tell, a new regulation has been issued that pertains to section 306 of the Bioterrorism Act of 2002.

This paragraph comes from an online article (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...newsid=17436):

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This final regulation implements section 306 of the Bioterrorism Act, which directs the HHS Secretary to issue regulations requiring persons who manufacture, process, pack, transport, distribute, receive, hold, or import food to establish and maintain records. These records identify the immediate previous source of all food received, as well as, the immediate subsequent recipient of all food released.
Notice the last sentence. They will need to identify anyone buying food of any kind if this is carried out.

CountryGoalie already posted this: http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/sho...d.php?t=110938

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Old 12/26/05, 06:19 PM
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I am amazed that President Bush got so many of the votes that He did with this Liberal way of looking at things
Possibly one of the most embarrassingly stupid efforts at redirection ever seen. The "liberal" way of looking at things is the one shown in your willingness to accept anything the government demands of you. Please don't insult others by associating them with your statist positions.
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Old 12/26/05, 09:40 PM
 
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Nope in Oklahoma

bought 500 pounds of laying pellets and 100 pounds of scratch.
As the clerk about this and they hadnt heard a thing.
They then asked for my farm ID for tax purposesd and as usual I replied I dont have a farm ID.
Oh and I always pay cash anyway.
Thats my story
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Old 12/27/05, 06:59 AM
 
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http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2005/new01236.html

"In June 2004, FDA published a final rule that specifies procedures that FDA would use to administratively detain food when the agency has credible evidence or information that the food presents a threat of serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals. In December 2004, FDA published a final rule requiring food firms to establish and maintain records that would allow FDA to conduct an effective and efficient traceback investigation to protect the U.S. human food and animal feed supply, in the event the agency has a reasonable belief that an article of food is adulterated and poses a threat of serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals. "

http://usunrome.usembassy.it/UNIssue...s/a4120601.htm

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is requiring people who handle food or animal feed to establish and maintain records indicating the immediate source and immediate subsequent recipient in the United States of their product..."

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Old 12/27/05, 09:23 AM
 
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and if we went back to everyone raising most of their own, these big corps wouldn't be contaminating everything w/the way they do things (crowding, etc) and we'd all be much healthier....however, we all know how likely THAT scenario is. has nothing to do with liberal or conservative-i'm about as conservative as you can get, and i think this is just flat WRONG. we can debate it all we want, but the only thing that will make a difference is public education, writing every blasted senator and representative, and flooding them with how STUPID this whole thing is.
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Old 12/27/05, 09:58 AM
 
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Nais

Hello, we are new to everything, as we just bought 20 acres in MS just after Hurricane Katrina. We are trying to figure out what we are supposed to do now, and we have been reading this message board more often than we go to church (which is at least once a week if not more ) What I see here scares me. What I see at www.nais.org scares me more. I just read some transcripts from meetings around the country. Anyone who is in doubt about all this animal registration taking place needs to check it out. I imagine it will be like No Child Left Behind where the local organizations run amuck without any guidance, doing what they think is right but isn't necessarily best. We don't even have animals yet and we are starting to wonder if this is what we want to do.
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Old 12/27/05, 10:11 AM
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If it is the Bioterrorism Feed Act they are refering to, there are exemptions in it as well.

#### Persons who distribute food directly to consumers are excluded from
the requirement in § 1.345 to establish and maintain records to identify the
immediate subsequent recipients as to those transactions. The term
‘‘consumers’’ does not include businesses.

#### Persons who manufacture, process, pack, transport, distribute, receive,
hold, or import food for personal consumption are excluded from all of the
requirements of subpart J of this final rule.

There is a discussion of this on the stopanimalid.org forums, which is where I saw this info.

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Old 12/27/05, 10:53 AM
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You all politely asking Arabian night to leave are wasting your time.I think some one already pointed out that he is paid to do what he does.I like having him around it adds balance to the rest of us Paranoid people.
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Old 12/27/05, 11:02 AM
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[QUOTE=caberjim]If it is the Bioterrorism Feed Act they are refering to, there are exemptions in it as well.

#### Persons who distribute food directly to consumers are excluded from
the requirement in § 1.345 to establish and maintain records to identify the
immediate subsequent recipients as to those transactions. The term
‘‘consumers’’ does not include businesses.

#### Persons who manufacture, process, pack, transport, distribute, receive,
hold, or import food for personal consumption are excluded from all of the
requirements of subpart J of this final rule.

There is a discussion of this on the stopanimalid.org forums, which is where I saw this info.

[COLOR=RoyalBlue]Thanks for your Post I have not read the Bioterrorism act and I was starting to wonder if I was going to have to get everyone of my customers at the farmers market info every time they bought, due to the previous post.
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Old 12/27/05, 11:43 AM
 
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If it is the Bioterrorism Feed Act they are refering to, there are exemptions in it as well.

#### Persons who distribute food directly to consumers are excluded from
the requirement in § 1.345 to establish and maintain records to identify the
immediate subsequent recipients as to those transactions. The term
‘‘consumers’’ does not include businesses.

#### Persons who manufacture, process, pack, transport, distribute, receive,
hold, or import food for personal consumption are excluded from all of the
requirements of subpart J of this final rule.

There is a discussion of this on the stopanimalid.org forums, which is where I saw this info.

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Thank you for posting that; I came here now to correct that.

I am sorry about that everybody. I jumped to conclusions on this one, a big .

I am very glad that this turned out not to be true.

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