Mark's NAIS Odyssey

Week one: No change in status. Animals and birds still in respective shelters.

I did read the 'Terrorist Chicken' article posted earlier and was concerned about the part of the ADGA taking ownership of the animals. I contacted Gary Wilson of the Ohio Department of Agriculture and he said that wasn't so.

None of the things predicted to happen have occurred (yet!) although I am thawing a store-bought chicken (see the powdered milk/chicken diet post).

I will report again in a week or two.

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Mark in West Central Ohio

Here in GA and also Florida and Tennessee (just about everywhere, I guess) it is against the law to move a horse without current (within 6 months, someplaces they allow 12 months) coggins test. To move a horse across state lines, some states require coggins test (negative), a brand inspection, as well as a health certificate. On the last health cert. I had done, I had to list where the horse was coming from (my farm) and where it was going to (the new owner's address) and the vet had to sign it.

here is a link: http://www.horsetrip.com/requirements.html

Find your state and you will also find the minimum necessary requirements. Some states have more detailed requirements and you should check the state you are traveling to since, as in GA., there are no brand inspections, but a state such as Wyoming may have brand inspection requirements.

Each state is different, but the posted link above lists the minimum paperwork you must have (and Lord help you if you get stopped and do not have the minimum required paperwork) to move your horse. GA. requires that any horse, moved within the state, must have a current negative coggins test and also you should have a health certificate within the last 30 days (not a requirement, but good to have nonetheless).

My horses that are moved are tatooed, I carry a copy of their current negative coggins test, a current health certificate, and a copy of their registration papers/bill of sale and if a foal by side, the appropriate paperwork for the foal (if under six months, the mare's paperwork serves, if over 6 months, the foal must have it's own documentation).

I have been stopped within and leaving the state, so don't think that just going 30 miles down the road is ok without the paperwork, a fine is a fine just the same.

Sidepasser

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I hear you Sidepasser,, we all ready have enough restrictions with moving horses and even other animals. We sure don't need any more. NSIA isn't going to make it more easy either.
Thought the Brand inpsection was a joke,, because the Vets I had used had always wrote the markings of each horse down on the Health Certificate in detail.
Think the powers that be just wanted more money,, hence the Brand inspection, on top of what the Vet was already filling out.
Should of seen the paper work needed to ship baby lambs!

For someone who is really new.It is impolite to call other posters liers not in this forum( see forum rules) I think you are simply a troll and nothing else.
My cousin has a big farm in pulaski. She has a large goat herd. She sold the goat across the state line. She was told that she had to register with NAIS.
She told the cop that she had never heard of it. So, he warned her to register. All I know she is furious about it.She doesn't want to register her animals because she has chickens, ducks, etc. You name it she has had it or currently owns it.
All I can figure is that she didn't have a NAIS number and the guy she bought from her called the cops.I'm going to find out more when I talk to her later.
tnborn

[QUOTE=tnborn]For someone who is really new.It is impolite to call other posters liers not in this forum( see forum rules) I think you are simply a troll and nothing else.[QUOTE]


I agree, it's time for the new guy to sit down and shut up if he doesn't have anything worthwhile to add. You would think that after running into this much crud on every board he has visited here, he would tone it down.

Unless you can prove she is lying, keep it quite.

Opinions, welcomed... insults not.

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[QUOTE=ZealYouthGuy][QUOTE=tnborn]For someone who is really new.It is impolite to call other posters liers not in this forum( see forum rules) I think you are simply a troll and nothing else.Thank you Bob.
Did you and your family have a great christmas? I hope you a prosperous new year
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Month One (or so):

No change. No confiscation of animals, no subjugation of lifestyle, no suspension of ability to produce food. In fact, egg production has increased slightly - probably due to all the ladies being out of molt more so than getting a NIAS number - and if things go well, goat milk will start flowing around the middle of March.

Mark

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I would like the NAIS to address vet issues. Right now, we do most of our vet work and for the biggies, the vet comes out here. But what if I have to take a baby goat in to the office? How do we deal with that since she would not be tagged or ID'd?

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I spoke with our State Vet this morning. In South Dakota, he is the man at the top. I sent all my questions to him and he called to answer them. I like South Dakota.

According to him, YES if you EVER had to take your animal to the vet, you would have to be registered, both your premises and your animals. So before she could be seen, you would need to register first. I asked about this specifically.

He was VERY informative. He also said that this IS in our future. BUT that to think it can be done in the next 2 years is 'visionary', but not realistic. He would like for them to TRY it with a small section on the agricultural industry (say cows, his suggestion not mine) and see how it worked. He did say that one day the goal is for every animal and premises to be indentified. BUT (quoting again) he felt that we have id programs already in use that would work just as well as NAIS. We have an Ag Industry Board that is in charge of this and was set up 100 years or so ago. They are looking for ways that we can have rapid response AND not increase the burden to producers, such as utilizing already existing systems and methods and just modernizing or updating them.

Cheryl

And yet, people have died from the avian flu.

I guess registering your place couldn't stop that--but isn't registering our farms and animals going to cure all ills and disease? After all, the government is doing it, and more government regulation makes everyone's life more worthwhile.

If taxes and regulations make us safer, I guess we darned near immortal by now.

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Just to note I am really against this and am/have been harrassing my lawmakers. However I worry about the average poor joe or joeess that depend on there chickens for meat and eggs and their goats for meat and milk and cant afford to id their "herd". Will the govment take their land and then the taxpayer support them? Ive contacted the aclu and my state corruptedness to see what happens but in my honest opinionwe all should attempt to thwart this, it is the harshest attempt to invade our privacies.

L

Check out http://stopanimalid.org if you haven't already.

We ARE making progress fighting it.

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ladycat:
YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOLKS, WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON THIS, QUICKLY!!
DO GO TO WWW.STOPANIMALID.ORG AND GET WITH THE PLAN!!!!!!

Sorry, didnt mean to yell, just gets me goin' thinking about this.

And, maybe nothing is happening now, just wait, if we dont stop the insanity it will....

Ya,,,

They are going to do this/NAIS, even when the USDA inspectors now, can't even do their job. Like sending Beef to Japan that has spinal parts in it. When they knew the only way to sell to Japan is the make sure those parts were not in the beef shipped and sold to them. Good way to loose a sale........
With all the major Goof ups the USDA does now,, will just show you what a "dog and Monkey" show the NAIS/USDA will be.