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Old 12/06/05, 09:30 PM
 
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Well I have put one container in my fridge to thaw out...I will let you all know as soon as its thawed. I do like the idea of the blackberry brandy and also using the seeds.

It wont be long.

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I'm glad to hear you're at least trying them! Can't wait to hear how it goes...
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Old 12/07/05, 08:04 AM
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Keep in mind, even in a deep freeze, things will "freezer-burn". I moved into my grandfathers house about 3 years ago. I had to clean out his small chest freezer in the basement. Even things that were well packaged, and only a couple years old, were dried out and not suitable to eat. The only thing salvageable was a couple recent bags of berries. The rest had dried out, and looked kinda scary. There was some freezer jam that might have been ok, but I wasn't gonna risk it. We ended up un-packaging everything and dumping it in the woods for the critters. Musta been ok for them...it was ALL gone 2 days later. All the old "safe" spices, we dumped in the garden. Anything that had salt was just tossed in the trash.

I'm not sure if it would work, but if the berries have dried out, would soaking them in water help to make them useable?
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Old 12/07/05, 08:32 AM
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I have several jars of canned tomatoes from my great aunt who passed away. They're all from the 70's - and all still good! I did make DH try them out first... when he didn't croak by the next morning, we started using them up!

Now my brother took all the canned salmon from the 70's and swears it's still good, but that's just too gross for me!
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Old 12/07/05, 08:50 AM
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i have read somewhere that the quality of the fruit going into jams, jellies and wines reflects greatly on the quality of the product being made. junk in junk out. if the berries have an "off" flavor it will be in the jam. i would not waste the sugar or the time.
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If they were in a chest freezer, not an upright or frost free, I would try them if they look okay as they thaw. If they had been in a frost free or auto defrost upright freezer, freezer burn has probably made them unpaletable. I just ate some 6 or 7 year old strawberries that didn't get rotated in our freezer and they were fine.

Of course if they look suspicious as they thaw, toss them.
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Old 12/10/05, 08:46 PM
 
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Well there were 32/1lb containers of blackberries. We thawed out one of the better looking ones.

"Blackberry flavored freezer ice", was the best description.

Im sure anyone with a chest freezer knows the taste you get when you open the lid...well just add a slight blackberry flavor to that and thats what we have...32 lbs of it.

Oh well. I will save it for the chickens or the birds at least.

Thanks for all the help.

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Old 12/10/05, 10:48 PM
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"Blackberry flavored freezer ice". Good description.

My mother's father was born in 1900 and joined the Gordon Highlanders in 1915. He was in a prisoner of war camp in Belgium most of the war and they had him work in the kitchen, not that there was much food. Well as it turned out, the way he told it, the Huns poisoned the jam and a few of his friends died from it. After that he would only eat jam that his wife made.

I don't think there is as much risk with sweet and acidic preserves but there is always a risk depending on how it was handled in the beginning, and how is is handled after thawing out. If there are certain metals I think you can have problems. Not sure. I know there is such a thing as botulism but I don't know if it has anything to do with metal. Lead poisoning was a problem until people learned not to use tin/lead solder to seal cans. Tin and silver spoons left in a can can be a problem also, I understand, but I don't know why. I remember my mother would always empty a can into another container as soon as she opened it.

I am not exactly sure what botulism is so here goes:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/disea...botulism_g.htm

What is botulism?
Botulism is a rare but serious paralytic illness caused by a nerve toxin that is produced by the bacterium Clostridium botulinum. There are three main kinds of botulism. Foodborne botulism is caused by eating foods that contain the botulism toxin. Wound botulism is caused by toxin produced from a wound infected with Clostridium botulinum. Infant botulism is caused by consuming the spores of the botulinum bacteria, which then grow in the intestines and release toxin. All forms of botulism can be fatal and are considered medical emergencies. Foodborne botulism can be especially dangerous because many people can be poisoned by eating a contaminated food.

What kind of germ is Clostridium botulinum?
Clostridium botulinum is the name of a group of bacteria commonly found in soil. These rod-shaped organisms grow best in low oxygen conditions. The bacteria form spores which allow them to survive in a dormant state until exposed to conditions that can support their growth. There are seven types of botulism toxin designated by the letters A through G; only types A, B, E and F cause illness in humans.

How common is botulism?
In the United States an average of 110 cases of botulism are reported each year. Of these, approximately 25% are foodborne, 72% are infant botulism, and the rest are wound botulism. Outbreaks of foodborne botulism involving two or more persons occur most years and usually caused by eating contaminated home-canned foods. The number of cases of foodborne and infant botulism has changed little in recent years, but wound botulism has increased because of the use of black-tar heroin, especially in California.

What are the symptoms of botulism?
The classic symptoms of botulism include double vision, blurred vision, drooping eyelids, slurred speech, difficulty swallowing, dry mouth, and muscle weakness. Infants with botulism appear lethargic, feed poorly, are constipated, and have a weak cry and poor muscle tone. These are all symptoms of the muscle paralysis caused by the bacterial toxin. If untreated, these symptoms may progress to cause paralysis of the arms, legs, trunk and respiratory muscles. In foodborne botulism, symptoms generally begin 18 to 36 hours after eating a contaminated food, but they can occur as early as 6 hours or as late as 10 days.

How is botulism diagnosed?
Physicians may consider the diagnosis if the patient's history and physical examination suggest botulism. However, these clues are usually not enough to allow a diagnosis of botulism. Other diseases such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, stroke, and myasthenia gravis can appear similar to botulism, and special tests may be needed to exclude these other conditions. These tests may include a brain scan, spinal fluid examination, nerve conduction test (electromyography, or EMG), and a tensilon test for myasthenia gravis. The most direct way to confirm the diagnosis is to demonstrate the botulinum toxin in the patient's serum or stool by injecting serum or stool into mice and looking for signs of botulism. The bacteria can also be isolated from the stool of persons with foodborne and infant botulism. These tests can be performed at some state health department laboratories and at CDC.

How can botulism be treated?
The respiratory failure and paralysis that occur with severe botulism may require a patient to be on a breathing machine (ventilator) for weeks, plus intensive medical and nursing care. After several weeks, the paralysis slowly improves. If diagnosed early, foodborne and wound botulism can be treated with an antitoxin which blocks the action of toxin circulating in the blood. This can prevent patients from worsening, but recovery still takes many weeks. Physicians may try to remove contaminated food still in the gut by inducing vomiting or by using enemas. Wounds should be treated, usually surgically, to remove the source of the toxin-producing bacteria. Good supportive care in a hospital is the mainstay of therapy for all forms of botulism. Currently, antitoxin is not routinely given for treatment of infant botulism.

Are there complications from botulism?
Botulism can result in death due to respiratory failure. However, in the past 50 years the proportion of patients with botulism who die has fallen from about 50% to 8%. A patient with severe botulism may require a breathing machine as well as intensive medical and nursing care for several months. Patients who survive an episode of botulism poisoning may have fatigue and shortness of breath for years and long-term therapy may be needed to aid recovery.

How can botulism be prevented?
Botulism can be prevented. Foodborne botulism has often been from home-canned foods with low acid content, such as asparagus, green beans, beets and corn. However, outbreaks of botulism from more unusual sources such as chopped garlic in oil, chile peppers, tomatoes, improperly handled baked potatoes wrapped in aluminum foil, and home-canned or fermented fish. Persons who do home canning should follow strict hygienic procedures to reduce contamination of foods. Oils infused with garlic or herbs should be refrigerated. Potatoes which have been baked while wrapped in aluminum foil should be kept hot until served or refrigerated. Because the botulism toxin is destroyed by high temperatures, persons who eat home-canned foods should consider boiling the food for 10 minutes before eating it to ensure safety. Instructions on safe home canning can be obtained from county extension services or from the US Department of Agriculture. Because honey can contain spores of Clostridium botulinum and this has been a source of infection for infants, children less than 12 months old should not be fed honey. Honey is safe for persons 1 year of age and older. Wound botulism can be prevented by promptly seeking medical care for infected wounds and by not using injectable street drugs.

What are public health agencies doing to prevent or control botulism?
Public education about botulism prevention is an ongoing activity. Information about safe canning is widely available for consumers. State health departments and CDC have persons knowledgeable about botulism available to consult with physicians 24 hours a day. If antitoxin is needed to treat a patient, it can be quickly delivered to a physician anywhere in the country. Suspected outbreaks of botulism are quickly investigated, and if they involve a commercial product, the appropriate control measures are coordinated among public health and regulatory agencies. Physicians should report suspected cases of botulism to a state health department.

For information and quidelines on canning foods at home:
USDA Home Canning Guide
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/etext/000028.html

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Old 12/10/05, 11:16 PM
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Red face meat my mom and grandmom canned

Grandma died in 48. Mom died 3 yrs ago at 95. 2 yrs before that she had me go down and move up towards the edge of the shelf jars of vegetables so she could get them easier. I run onto a jar of canned meat that still looked perfect. Mom said she and grandmom canned it in the mid 40s. Mom always left the rings on the jars and perhaps that did the trick. She grew a garden up to wqhen she was 92. she canned 30 qts of fruit when she was 93
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Old 12/10/05, 11:36 PM
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God bless her. My daughter is six but I pray she has an old soul like your mother and my Great Grandmother and both my wife's Grandmothers who all lived into their 90s. I will teach her whatever old ways I can so that when she is 90 people will know us.
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Old 12/10/05, 11:49 PM
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God bless her. My daughter is six but I pray she has an old soul like your mother and my Great Grandmother and both my wife's Grandmothers who all lived into their 90s. I will teach her whatever old ways I can so that when she is 90 people will know us.
Almost all the women on my mother's side of the family live into their 90's and early 100's. I figure that's part genetics and partly because they all stayed active and interested in life.
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