Poaching for Food(ROUND TWO)

my 30 acres of corn beside the house.

The gov't would much rather you filled out all their paperwork, tell them when, how and why you do everything ... then... MAYBE they will point you to some orginazation where you can get a small amount of food. OP, you are a Christian... does not the Christian God give us dominion over the animals? As far as filling the freezer, if I filled every license I could get here... by law I cannot keep all the meat in the freezer. I am only allowed set amounts to freeze, can or otherwise have on hand. These amounts are less than the limits I can get during season (legally mind you). They say I can shoot it during certian seasons, but cannot keep all of what I am allowed to kill. Does this make sense to any of you?

Kaza

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That would do it.

Yeah! What will we do during the Next Great Depression?
So I guess if another great depression happens, I"m going to rely on soup lines? NO WAY!
My Great Grandma grew up in the G.D. and sometimes they would go out into the woods just to find somthing to eat.

....and it IS STRANGE that if you hit a Doe/Buck with your car, it's yours, free and clear, BUT HEAVEN FORBIDS if you go out to kill a deer to put food on the table, now you CAN'T DO THAT! NO NO!

I've always thought of Poaching as "Trophey Hunters" getting the best Buck.
Poaching for Food, even tho it's against the law, I find it ethical, when hard times hit.(but a good garden would be better)

Hmmm...I've seen some NEW rationalizations for poaching!

OK, so you don't have a freezer for storing meat, and you don't want one. So what's wrong with smoking, drying, salting, or making pemmican? Homesteader? Or OUTLAW? There is a big difference, folks!

I read POACHING as LAZY...WELFARE....etc.

so sez commander mcbragg.

I shot 2 squirles this mornin, & had biskits & gravy with it.

Good day.

skinner

Glib...... and perhaps the rejoinder of one that is somewhat intoxicated.

In point of fact, why don't you be HONEST with those that you encourage to poach, CN?! Why don't you give them factual data concerning court costs when they are apprehended? Whether a car thief or a burglar, almost all crooks eventually screw up! Do you think the judge believes that THIS is their first offense? LOL... The answer, my friend, is NO! The judge, even the left wing liberal judges, believe that the offender has committed many other crimes of this nature, but that THIS is just the first time he had been caught.

And, YES, they will at some point be apprehended. Crooks seem to think that they can get away with their crimes FOREVER! Unfortunately for them, they discover the fallacy of that misconception about the time when the gavel bangs down. Of course some don't really get the idea until they get the basic body cavity search at the state prison....though I do hear they are required to use lubricant these days. But then, you only ENCOURAGE others to break the law, you don't actually break the law yourself, do you?

Please provide documentation PROVING that you do NOT have any social responsibility for teaching our children and grandchildren the difference between right and wrong, because at this point I am quite sure you can provide incredible personal, anecdotal, evidence that encourages 16 year old boys to weave traffic on the local Interstate at 125mph.

Sheesh... You try to INSULT me, but you reveal yourself to be totally irresponsible and uncarring about the effect you have upon other peoples' lives. Well, buddy, I DO care! And I won't push ANYONE into ruining their lives!

I'm as dry as a bone, thanks anyway for the diagnosis.

why cant you grasp the simple fact the original topic intailed hunting on your own land, for the most part.
you need to crawl off somewhere troll... nowhere has anyone encouraged anyone to break a law, we have told each other manytimes, either on your own land or with permission, and presented several much better alternitives to poaching as part of the discussion.
discussing the methods and technical aspects of a thing is not reccomending it. I dont have to poach, as I have said, there are many alternitives. the fact that IF it came to that point it had to be done, these people asking the question and discussing it wouldnt be alone, by a longshot. it would be in a SHTF situation only.
and even then.. stick to your own land or freinds, as has been said ad nausium.
you come up with the most stupid BS.... teaching kids anthing isnt part of this topic. Its adults debating the right/wrong of it... in dire situations only.
no commander thats your job here... to enetertain us with such tales.

I insult you because your words actions and demeanor almost cry out for it. your so blind you can grasp the topic.. cant see no one is pushing anyone to do anything, or reccomending any actions. IF someone here is so weak willed and weak minded they read this and run out to hunt turkey with a .223, yes they deserve all the problems they get.

I have read BBS's onthe net for many yrs and seen carbon copy trolls such as you so many times... you are a braggart, a blowhard, and I doubt if ANYONE here on this board, homesteader farmer or just common low income folks who learn from each other have ANYTHING in common with your kind... rich, self centered, proud, and in love with shoving their "credentials" in peoples faces.... along with pages of psudo intelectual BS.
I fail to see what you have in comon with the overall setting of this board.... one fo your first posts was asking why anyone would want to live like this.... or live "indian style".

I think i will speak for 99% of the people here who are too polite to say it...
[F] off.... troll.
You have nothing in common with anyone here, with this lifestyle, or way of getting by. You look down on it, you clearly see yourself as above them all, and far "better off".

I'm not drunk... I never am. I am not buzzed out on pills... I never am. I may kid around about it, thats all and these good people know it. I AM at the moment reall really irritated in pain so.. I am feeling more inclined to not be such a sweet heart to someone like you. They also know, your the first person in my 3300 posts Ive ever gone for the throat after.

Leave these people alone stan... All you seek here is adoration, and I dont think any of them wil give it to you. These dirty po folks are laughing at you... so keep on talking.... we will keep on laughing.

You seem to have some serious misconceptions about me. I began homesteading before you were even aware of the term. I drilled my own well, right down to 97 feet. I raised ALL my own food, right down to the spices and the chicken feed for the following year.

Poaching is poaching! It doesn't matter whether it is upon one's own land, public land, or a neighbor's land! Citizens have agreed upon the fact that poaching is ILLEGAL! You have, time and time again, RATIONALIZED such illegal behavior. You do throw in some weak qualifiers, such as 'on their own land, for the most part'. In effect, you castrate your own argument within the same statement! LOL... That IS funny! But at the same time, it is sad. You have any nifty rationalizations for burglary of public buildings?

Trying to call me 'rich' is merely a bigoted method to try to discredit me. No one would tolerate you demeaning my opinion because I was poor, would they?!

Some of those ADVOCATING poaching, including you, have tried to turn the issue into a 'survival' issue. But in point of fact, you can't produce ONE instance of poaching that was 'survival'. Instead, you try to turn this into an issue of my current income or outright attack ME! What a weak counter argument! LOL...

As far as my assessment of your sobriety, YOU are the one that advocates home grown opium and marijuana in other threads. And your own 'screen name' of 'Comfortably Numb' literally BRAGS of your mental state! Despite you claiming to be 'known' as kidding about drug abuse, that doesn't matter one bit! What matters is that you ADVOCATE drug abuse and illegal activity in one post after another. What matters is that those that do NOT know you are 'kidding' about it may follow your advice. In point of fact, you offer LOUSY advice, and encourage people you don't even know to break the law. From my point of view, that is the postion of a moral coward!

You also seem to have a serious problem keeping your facts straight, or perhaps you try to distort the facts in order to bolster your own weak position. I refer to your reptitive references to me hunting turkeys with a .223. Well, that just exposes your ignorance. I've explained it here at least twice. Some states to have shotgun only laws for EASTERN Turkeys. Some have shotgun AND rifle seasons. And some large game ranches have rifle ONLY seasons. Pull your head out and read the freaking laws, dude! In effect, you are accusing me of parking head-in in a private parking lot that allows both parallel and head-in parking! What a crock of misleading BS!

While you might wish to characterize me as looking down on people here, that is simply your way of trying to trigger an emotional reaction to me. I don't really care how many posts you have here, though your are quite ready to quote the number as some sort of validation. LOL... Perhaps you have tromped on other people that disagreed with your positions for thousands of posts. But then, I guess you didn't consider that. I reviewed a considerable number of your posts, and you seem to take the position of an anti-everything juvenile. You seem to condemn me because I have succeeded within an organic framework! But from your own posts, I detect a constant thread of failure, but no consistent thread of commitment to the ideals of environmental responsibility I've upheld for over forty years! You accuse me of being a 'corporate' toady merely because I demand looking at an issue from BOTH sides.

So, how many deer have you poached lately? Or were your assertions concerning the best ways to poach deer merely second hand knowledge? (I'll be happy to quote your own posts on the subject if you wish to deny your previous positions.)

look-it, it's your land, to do what you DARN well please, the freedom of land ownership is very important, and when Goverments claim they own the squirrels on my land, is nonsense, just like eniment domain, I can read english, and the says NOTHING about how the goverment can STEAL your land for a profit!

i would like to make an attempt to shed some light on this subject and think that it is what MOST everyone else is trying to say.
if it is on MY land, that i have paid for and am paying taxes on,the land that i work,build habitat,and all around take care of myself,then the gov.or no one else should have the power to tell me that i can not reap the rewards.

Arborethic is simply the best at everything!!!

We like the cut of his gibberish!

stan... you've already posted in several places sticking your "wealth" up peoples noses to "insult them" in a passive way. No one faults you for wealth, there are many folks here who are what one could call "rich" by common man standards... they dont shove it in everyones face to make points.... you do.
sure... I say poach if the need calls for it, but only in a very narrow window of need, in a very narrow window of places/methods. it always was a survival issue in this topic... you missed that. none is "advocating" or promoting poaching. we are discussing it.
mm didn't I say that before... several times?

you want an "instance" or a "example" or what?
oh maybe documented proof...
you've been provided with 100 examples here all discussed and nit picked. go back and read.

no that wasn't a counter argument that was just a disconnected observation really... you suck.

you cant read and comprehend anything... can you? go back and read those statements again to find my position. I know your a troll, because you just took that statement I made on drugs and flip it to try to make it what it wasnt... my position was stated very clearly.
oh stop your going to make me cry...
I didn't advocate drug abuse.. even if you keep saying that, it doesn't make it true. I am not giving advice... I'm posting opinion. there is quite a difference. if someone takes a posted opinion and acts on it, then gets in trouble... well they ain't very bright. Suppose I went right out and took a shot at a turkey with a 223... like you said was OK. when the game warden busts me for it, is it YOUR fault?
the 223 thing is dead... its illegal here, and in Texas. there is no rifle season for turkey here. a 200 yard shot at a turkey is target shooting. Shooting at game just to hit it is stupid... as any real hunter here will concur.
already answered that one too... you really need to learn to read.

failure is a relative word... you dont look at both sides you present the commanders view as the only viable one. You presented your accomplishments and credentials here to prop up your post.. no one else did.
I disagree with a lot of people here.... I even on occasion call them nuts or crazy.... and we go back to friendly discussion. You are the first I have outrightly said... "I honestly cant stand you....[F] off".

perhaps you like the lovely order of the socialist state, and the blanket protection it gives.
The socialist/fascist state you like, no one else does. If it walks across my farm, and i want to kill it, I will. If I want to eat it... I will. It has nothing to do with advocating lawlessness, in the context of this thread it has to do with landowners rights and freedom.

when the state comes to cap your well.... will you be upset? dont be they will provide you with city water, and the well Will become part of the municipal well system.
when they come to backfill your septic system thats free and make you pay a large fee for sewage removal, will you scream? you shouldn't its for the good of the people.

Like a watermelon.. green outside, pinko inside.
if your position remained the same... youd still be an ass hole.

The commander has provoked me into disrupting the thread[s]... as was his aim to bait someone to do.
Sorry about that, people....

Well, I'll tell you somethin tex. That may work as long as you are on your own place. But if you you come on MY place with your crazy man act, no matter what I'm doing it would probably be your last act. If confronted by a crazy acting trespasser I wouldn't hesitate to act in self defense.

Arborethic I'm glad you're learning new things from this discussion. I think most of us are here for that.

No, as stated I don't have a freezer and I don't want one

Nothing wrong with smoking, drying, salting or making pemmican. It's a fine idea. If I had advance notice that I was about to lose my job (assuming that a new one couldn't be found quickly) and the job loss coincided with legal hunting seasons, I would start legally hunting and preserving game as soon as I knew about the job loss.

Homesteader? Yes

OUTLAW? With regard to poaching not now but I would certainly consider harvesting the plentiful game on my property out of season should the need arise and I did not have legal hunting options open to me. So that would be a no at this time. With regard to ocasionally exceeding the speed limit yes probably once a day or so but not consciously or intentionally.

1) Lazy - I don't think so
2) Welfare - Not yet and not if I can avoid it. When I was very young I really irritated my dad by not taking unemployment. He argued that I would pay into it for years so why not. I argued that i didn't think the program was designed to assist young single men without lots of expenses. (I have made use on the program since then) It's not my policy to ask for handouts if there is another way.
3) Drugs - Long long ago and I did inhale. (I guess Bill Clinton is my moral superior in that regard)
4) Alcohol - Not on a regular basis and on rare occasion to excess
5) Tobacco - No
6) Encouraging criminal activity - I have discussed illegal activities with others (this topic) but have not encouraged anyone to participate. There have been times when I thought of doing things that were illegal but I don't give myself a hard time over it since I don't usually act on those impulses. I find I'm able to resist doing a lot of things that I shouldn't. (Guess that'll bring you back to the lazy stereotype)

I'm really surprised at the number of posts that seem to associate the last 6 items with the discussion topic. I don't think they're really related to the topic that much.

I think it's unfair and untrue to assume that everyone who buys a license and hunts in season is totally in the clear. I've known many hunters who put on the legal act by having a license and observing the season but breaking lots of rules

1) Disregarding Doe or buck season "If it's brown it's down".
2) Shooting multiple deer for others in their hunting party
3) Using a friend's tag or getting licenses for non hunters and using their tags
4) Filling out everything but the date on a tag and then filling that in only if stopped by a warden. Otherwise carefully putting the tag back with the license for reuse on another day
5) Roadhunting or hunting from the car. etc. etc.

There's a lot of misuse of the proper licenses and tags that I consider to be just as illegal as the discussion topic. Those types of illegal hunters just take extra effort to conceal their crimes better by putting on the appearance of legal hunting.

I won't generalize about their work habits, income sources or addictions but I don't think that group of hunters has the moral high ground in any discussion of poaching.

may i also add : lets say i was 30 miles from the nearst town, and my wife got bit buy a rattle snake,would i exceed the speed limit getting her to town? you bet i would! would i be breaking the law? you bet i would!am i now a criminal?probably in arbor ethics eyes but not most others!

I had two large freezer, that i turned off and tossed out. they consume elctricty and the meat freezer burns. I now can the meat and in coolstorage it will last for many yrs. I did salt jerk one whole deer, but I prefer the canned meat. but the salt jerk makes good camping meat, its light and wont spoil at room temp. like salt fish you have to soak the salt out forst but as I read, its suppose to outlast jerky by 10x.... I'm watching it to see if thats actually true or not.
freezers are only goo for short term storage,and ive had the power go out for days on end here and well.. freezers with no power, nuff said.
so... "I ant got one dont want one" is a very valid arguement... maybe not for poaching but, I see now large freezers are generally useless modern power pigs.

if it wasnt for a few perishables I wouldnt have a fridge either...

Fascinating topic.


I prefer to avoid charity and poaching. Actually I could sign up for foodstamps but don't. I don't poach either, but as others have stated, I would if it were a matter of eating or not. And was once in that situation.

I would happily agree if I owned land lol Just have a measly little less than 3 acres on the edge of a small town.

Yep. Hate handouts.

I was once in a situation where I had to or go hungry. Long story that I'd rather not go into.

In the above situation I had no electricity and no way to can.

In the above situation I lived on the edge of the desert. Wasn't a lot to choose from.

Agreed. And yes in some states assistance is VERY hard to come by.

That was in the days when you could get a carload of groceries for $5. And $5 was hard to come by.
We have been hit by inflation since then. But in the 1980's I fed a family of 4 on $70/month by cooking everything from scratch, and there was an abundance of food in my house. Most people could not have done as well as I did for $70/week.

And if no jobs are available? I had no transportation in my above-mentioned situation, BTW. And I had to walk 2 miles to get water.

All the dumpsters in my area are locked up.

In some places it is, but not in others.

No kidding Stan. All brought on by your lying and pompous ass attitude. Duh.

Duh..Stan, you have thrown that out for YOUR benefit how many times now?

You don't learn very well..this is what tripped your trigger with Judy on Delphi. YO! STANLEY, waaaaakkkeee uuuupppp!

WHAT business is it of yours anyway? You advocate shooting turkeys with a rifle, that's breaking the law. Is there a difference between laws being broken? I guess it's okay to lie and make people believe one thing about you, all of which is completely UNTRUE, and then YOU jump on people for what..because of a screen name. Yo..what does Bad2dbone imply? That's your AOL handle isn't it?

Stan, YOU are the master at distorting facts. YOU inferred that you and your buddies hunted turkey with rifles, specifically YOUR beloved Mini 14, one of the MOST inaccurate rifles known to ANYONE with any knowledge about shooting, unless you add an aftermarket barrel. You got caught AGAIN bragging, and you were called on it. Try hunting **ANY** turkey ANYWHERE in the State of Texas with a rifle, and you'd be breaking a law. Now..you wouldn't break a law would you Stanley? Of course not. So knock off the game you are trying to run on these people, will you. You are NOT the almighty hunter you wanted these people to think. You are NOT the almighty homesteader you want these people to think you are. You are NOT the almighty know-it-all-scientist without a college degree. You are a NUT case who LOVES to throw out innuendos making people think you are bigger then life. You DO have a Napoleon complex.

You do a very good job of that ALL by yourself Stan. You simply can't get along with anyone, unless they look UP to you. You got kicked off of Delphi FOR LIFE, because you got bigger then you thought you were. And now, you have come storming in here claiming extensive knowledge in many subjects, and can prove NOTHING, except you are a masterbullsheeter who NEEDS to be worshiped. Not going to work, not when people can challenge you.

Ah, this is the scientist part now, huh? bovine poopy is the only organic thing you are GOOD at throwing around. You have been driven off of more bulletin boards and Forums because you are a complete lying pompous arsehole then ANYONE could imagine.