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Old 12/19/16, 11:45 AM
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Just for clarity, Duke was an Anatolian Shepherd, not an Akbash, there is quite a difference in temperament between the two. Akbash is not considered a fighting dog in some countries as the Anatolian is, and I think there is a lot of diversity in temperament within the AS breed. Also, the BC was actually a BC/AS cross. This is generally the worst type of cross you can breed as an LGD breed should have a low prey drive, while the BC depends on a high prey drive to do its job...the two should never be crossed, there is no such thing as " the best of both worlds" genetics don't work that way. The guy made a lot of mistakes with his dogs, but the one that got him bit on this particular day was putting himself in a submissive position in front of a dog who was already very comfortable growling at him, right after taking that piglet away.
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Old 12/19/16, 07:13 PM
 
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I reread the article. Anatolian I meant, not Akbash- two different dogs. Sorry. I was thinking big Anatolian.

One thing he did was to continue chastising the dog. This can really put a dog over the edge, not most dogs, but some. Duke had dropped the piglet, was coming to him as asked, yet being reprimanded. The dog was giving submissive signals, yet still being chastised. So, now one person is saying the dog was growling and being aggressive and the other (me) saying he was showing submission yet still chastised.

If we had a video of the event we might be better able to point out exactly what happened. All in all, Tommy was too inexperienced for this type of dog. It is too bad this occurred, and it may not have with a different owner.
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Old 12/21/16, 05:43 AM
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I agree, a video would be great. Unfortunately it was impossible in this situation. I went back and copied the passage where he described Dukes behavior. To me it sounds as though Duke was pretty conflicted as to how he should behave. I would not read a dog behaving in the manner described as submissive so much as confused, and his owner really just gave the wrong signal by putting himself on the same level as the dog. What do you think? Either way it was a sad situation for everyone.

"I continued to express disapproval and encourage him to come away from the piglet and toward me, which he eventually did. He was in a submissive posture as he approached me, though he was still growling slightly, and he was wagging his tail as I backed away from the area in which the piglet was located, so it was “so far, so good” at that point."
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Old 12/21/16, 11:38 AM
 
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We associate a tail wag with joy and friendliness. However, I tail wag can mean anxiety. The anxiety is basically escaping through the tail. I agree with you on the confusion. It’s bad enough when people do not understand a soft dog’s signals, but with this type of dog it is very bad. I would suggest that anyone getting a possibly dangerous dog to learn doggie signals. Ear carriage, posture, tail. Also, don’t lecture, like this guy was doing.
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