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Old 09/22/07, 07:54 AM
 
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The over population of deer is due to the over population of humans. More humans means less old growth forest, more brush and young forest edge. Deer thrive under the current conditions. More humans are moving into the country and bringing their city ideas and philosophy with them. This changes the rural culture, drives up the price of land, which in turn drives up the property tax which drives out the original rural folk adding to the destruction of our original culture. Just start calling the U.S.A., Europe West!

Timber company's have broken their promise to allow people free access to their property. They are making millions of dollars by leasing their property to hunting clubs while paying almost no taxes. In north Louisiana, the timber company's bought up most of the land for +- 5 cents an acre during the 1930's. During the Great Depression, people tended to be land rich and money poor. The carpet baggers took horrible advantage of the situation. I have seen and read newspaper articles, complete with pictures and quotes. The locals were promised that they and their descendent's would forever have access to timber company lands for the purposes of food gathering, fire wood, hunting, fishing, trapping, camping, hiking, etc. Then, during the 1980's, these timber company's began leasing to hunting clubs and giving the clubs permission to post the leased land as "no trespassing" area's. Prior to this I had free and unfettered access to thousands of acres and was able to supply my family with game for the table at a fraction of the cost of buying meat in the grocery store. I could ride my horse almost anywhere I needed to go. My wife and children and I would often hunt together, target shoot and/or take walks in the brush and woods. Everthing is changed now. I do almost no hunting anymore. I only go if a property owner or leaser invites me to go. The average person can not afford the cost of belonging to a hunting club or the cost of leasing on their own. The WMA's are over crowded and over regulated so much that is dangerous to be on them. That is why I am trying so hard to save enough money so that I can one day own my own farm. Then and only then will my family and I have a place to hunt and practice our shooting skills. Hunting use to be a way of life. Now, it has simply become another rich man's sport. How very, very sad.

The bottom line? Even though there are more humans, there are fewer humans with access to the hunting grounds. Therefore, there are fewer hunters available to take the deer. It will get worse with each generation.

If I sound bitter, it's because I am!

MikeL
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Old 09/24/07, 02:02 PM
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I have seen to many deer run right into the side of a stopped auto, more that 20 times in the last 5 years alone. How is it some one's fault for being stopped when they haft yo stop?
The deer herds have exploded around here in the last 10 years also. More people equal more people feeding the pretty deer.
I remember the first time I saw a big buck with a nice rack. I was so excited and was about 10 years old. I was telling the story to an older gentleman and he looked down at me and said Son if you live long enough you will learn to hate deer.
I guess every time that I help someone out in a deer/auto accident I think that I have lived long enough to learn to hate deer.
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it's not the ones that run into the side of a car that cause fatal accidents for the most part especialy not those running into the side of a stopped car.
the injury crashes tend to have speed , and distraction in the mix often it is not that the deer that killed/injured the person it is that they lost control in trying not to hit the deer or after they hit the deer
i will take the deer over the ditch if it is a choice i have to make
it is highly unlikely that a deer will penitrate your windsheild at legal highway speeds.

most tractor trailers rigs operating in northern wisconsin minisota and michigan have a deer gaurd to nock the deer down and keep it out of the radiator so they can keep operating.
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Old 09/24/07, 04:38 PM
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it's not the ones that run into the side of a car that cause fatal accidents for the most part especialy not those running into the side of a stopped car.
the injury crashes tend to have speed , and distraction in the mix often it is not that the deer that killed/injured the person it is that they lost control in trying not to hit the deer or after they hit the deer
i will take the deer over the ditch if it is a choice i have to make
it is highly unlikely that a deer will penitrate your windsheild at legal highway speeds.

most tractor trailers rigs operating in northern wisconsin minisota and michigan have a deer gaurd to nock the deer down and keep it out of the radiator so they can keep operating.
I tried to find the news clip where the woman was killed in a parked car by a buck that came through the passenger car window and the antlers of the buck went through the woman's neck letting her bleed to death is just minuets.
Have seen several people cut up bad by the deer hooves after going through a window of a parked cars.
To say people don't die as deer don't go through windshields while people are traveling at normal legal speeds is plain wrong. How many deer/auto crashes have you ever worked? I have worked many over the years here in the Ozarks and if you have seen what I have seen over the years you wouldn't make such a statement.
Deer are man killers when it comes to auto/deer crashes.
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