Banding vs Burdizzo?

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Daybird, I've edited the instructions to be more clear. No, of course you don't leave the testicles dangling to rot and fall off. Sheesh! No you don't pull until the cords and veins snap off. No you don't cut the testicles off with a blade. Yes, after clearing the membrane from the testicle and pulling the testicle out two or three inches from what's left of the scrotum, you do scrape THE CORD AND BLOOD VESSELS that are still connecting the testicle to the kid, pinching them firmly between your thumbnail and finger and scraping a little ways up and down the cord until the cord comes apart, along with the blood vessels attached to it. The testicle is no longer attached to the kid once the cord and blood vessels separate. The job is done on that side. Then you move on to do the other side. Is that more clear? Do you understand now?

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We have the vet assistant cut the bucklings the same day he dehorns and vaccinates the kids, usually within a week of being born. Actually did the five bucks born on the 29th two mornings ago. I hold them for everything and I don't like how they respond, but it is done with and there is no chance of it needing to be done again. They are usually up and nursing within an hour unless the boys are a little bigger. Which is why we get them done so early. He cuts off the tip of the scrotum, pulls the two testes down and tears them a bit, then he puts a crushing thing on the two strands and pulls or cuts the testes off. Sprays them then we put them back with their mother and move on to the next kid.
We had a coupel of eyars when we didn't castrate because we figured untouched bucks would bring more money at the market. Then we had some unfortunate inbreeding and started cutting every buck born last year. I was planning on cutting all the bucks born this year but I have someone who wants our half pygmy for breeding his yard goats (also pygmies). So I won't cut him but will get him out of here in two months. Now I just need to find a triplet to put on his dam. Would hate for her to not have something to raise this year.

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sorry to take this laura= but for neophyte this just isnt clear.

"Yes, after clearing the membrane from the testicle and pulling the testicle out two or three inches from what's left of the scrotum,"

the scrotum sac can be cut in two ways- some do individual near vertical slits - | | - in each 'compartment' and some cut 1/2 inch of the whole sac bottom straight across - /_\ - well thats looks like a bigger
L J
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either way, inside there is a near white (pink in goat? never done goat) membrane that looks like the end of the testicle but isnt. it is another 'sac' inside the scrotum skin sac.it is tough and 'dryish' like the surface of ...just inside your lower lip.
you cut into this one(tough membrane!) - probably like- | | - i dont know if you can cut this one strait across or not. THEN you will see the near white/pink testicles, looking a lot like the membrane you just slit, peeking out. you squeeze them out one at a time and they will come half way out .

"you do scrape THE CORD AND BLOOD VESSELS"
at point above you then pull the testicle one at a time, dry paper towel for grip (they are slightly slippery and moist) and this is where you will feel the cord start to break on the inside(this hurts so go fast). pulll the cord out untill the testicle is clear of the sacs and you will see the cord and bllood vessels.
the reason the cordis scraped, is to make it clot up very quickly. i would use a serrated knife like the ones that usedto be called 'ginsu' knives. they have little ridges all along the blade and they are cheap.scrape quick back and forth on that cord about 1/2 inch, and you will scraope thru in a few seconds.there has been little blood so far but it will be here. (this is the sqweamish part).

dont meanto hikjack this but these are two important things that i dont think will be obvious to a beginner. that said- it is of course best to learn from helping someone with this farm chore. it is a very useful thing to know.

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...cut in two ways- some do individual near vertical slits - | | - in each 'compartment'

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L J

well did that come across better?

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Don't be mean. Let's not turn this into a General Chat warzone. I don't know how to do it. That's why I asked the question to clear up my confusion. I'm sorry. I do understand now. It seems that everyone has done it differently.

I've worked as a vet tech in the past and have helped neuter hundreds of dogs and cats. I'm well aware of the inner anatomy of an animal's testicles. You were the first poster to say anything about severing the cords and veins to remove the testicles. If you would please re-read those who posted before you, you'll see that noone was very clear. They just posted that they "cut" assuming that anyone who read this thread would know exactly what that was and how it was performed.

"i also cut, about oh....1/2 inch or so off the bottom of the scrotum, pull the testicles out one at a time, douse it and let em go."

"I cut off about half of the scrotum and then pull out each testicle, including as much of the spermatic cord as possible, squirt them down with iodine, and turn them loose."

"They simply make a cut over each testicle and pull them out, taking as much cord as you can. I have also seen folks just cut the entire bottom of the scrotum off and pull the two out through the bottom. Douse with iodine, and turn them loose."

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It could well be because the testicals are pulled out until the cords break, thus they are not cut. I find it faster thus less stressfull to just pull them out. As the now short cords slide back into place the pressure of the internal organs, mash them shut and there is almost no bleeding, the sack can fill with fluid which is re-absorbed in a few days, or this fluid might drain out while the outer skin cuts are still open.

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I've always banded and have never had any bad results. Most times, within an hour or two, the little guys are running around like nothing ever happened.

As for the other methods . . . . I've never done them, but you sure are making me cringe and cross my legs!!! :haha:

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I have heard that somewhere before,.... hubby holds,.. I cut.

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I think I'll just band also.

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Sorry, Daybird, didn't mean to get snippy. I was just rather appalled at the idea someone would think I was suggesting leaving bare testicles dangling to rot off! Eeeew!!!! and Oooowwww!!!

If you cut off the lower third of the scrotum, the inner membrane is usually already cut, or has been in my experience, and the ends of the testicles are sticking out a little. Remember, you did this with a sterile but not-so-sharp blade, so only cut what you meant to cut.

I do still have to free the testicle from the membrane because the membrane clings. I do this with my fingers using a "degloving" kind of action (kind of like running your fingers between your sock cuff and your leg). Then I pull the testicle out a bit, until it is clear of what's left of the scrotum and the membrane, as you said, and I can get a clear shot at the cord. I've never had to use anything to help with grip, personally. I don't pull quickly, because I don't want to "break" anything. I want to be in control of where the separation takes place. I use a thumbnail and pinching rather than a knife because there is very little or no blood produced by doing so. Pretty much during this whole procedure, sharp is bad. The blade needs to be sharp enough to get through the skin, with effort, but after that, tearing and scraping (sounds horrible, no?) will result in far less bleeding.

And I forgot to add, no sutures! There will be very little or no blood, and with the bottom third of the scrotum gone, any fluid will drain freely, which is good. The iodine spray will keep flies away while the wound closes as well as preventing infection. If flies are particularly bad, you might want to check the area and spray again a couple of days after the event. I've not used anesthetic. They holler when you do the initial cut, and again when you pull. Other than that, they seem kind of dazed. Can't blame 'em!

Hey, inc, the more clear we can be with this, the more likely it will go without a hitch for someone in the unfortunate position of having to do it by themselves the first time. Hijack away!

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thanks for clearing thta up. as you can tell i have never done a goat. however from all the instructions given, i believe i could.

was just worried about a possible neophyte, trying this alone....which turned out to be an experienced person!

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