HELP--goat died-another not chewing cud

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Hi!

If you think of listerosis as an overgrowth of mold in the goats system, we gave that much penicillin (300,000 unit) injectable, injected IM and also orally, to stop the overgrowth. In 12 hours they went on the normal, 3cc per 50 pounds subq every 12 hours. In any other normal illness you would not give a ruminant any drug like this orally, most antibiotics are degraded in the rumen, why drinking water meds are so dubious, in certain circumstances when you just need a low level of say tetracycline, than oral, via feed is fine for say treating chlamydia or pasturella pnemonia, but for acute illness, in a ruminant, oral dosing is a waste of time. It does work well on infants since their rumen is not working yet.

For this doe who was 195, 24cc IM was not a huge overdose like it may sound, (each 12cc syringe was given in 2 places, so only 6cc went into each muscle, more than that and you will see shock, especially if you push it fast, and worse since you do have to choose some muscles of the rear leg, they will be sore and limping....a normal amount for this doe would be right under 12cc, so it was twice as much a tad more...actually if she was my doe (which is what I was doing here, she simply said save my goats do what you would if you where at home, although she would not put down the does I told her to, she let them die instead, which to me was much more stressfull emotionally (for me) than if she had let me put them down) So at home if I was worming or medicating her at 195 pounds I would not do the math and just treat her at 200 pounds, which is what I did at this point. The goats where dieing, her vet was useless, the only sensible thing he did was give her Dex, the whole bottle, after giving her goats all 1cc....190 pound does 1cc :no: for their neurological symptoms.

If I had been called before everything had gotten this far I would have used the dosages per Goat Medicine. Vicki

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Vicki McGaugh
Nubian Soaps
North of Houston TX
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A 3 decade dairy goat farm homestead that is now a retail/wholesale soap company and construction business.

All seems well the doe. She now has started eating with the others and getting bossy with a few of the kids(must mean she's feeling better).She lays with the others instead of off by herself.I would say she's back to normal. Hope this is it and no one else gets any symptoms.Thanks again for everyones help,if it wasn't for all the advise I believe she would have died as the vet was no help. I need to invest in the goat med book.
Donna

If you hunt through the forum it's up on one of the stickies, we saved the old saanendoah.com medication list before Joyce took it down off her list, it's invaluable! If it's not there, than beg borrow or steal someones copy!!!! Vicki

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Vicki McGaugh
Nubian Soaps
North of Houston TX
www.etsy.com/shop/nubiansoaps

A 3 decade dairy goat farm homestead that is now a retail/wholesale soap company and construction business.

Vicki, when I was treating my doe for this,I was giving her up to 11 cc's every 6 hours injected. I was giving it subq though,when my husband wasn't at home to do the im shots. She was making slow improvements over a two week span. Her last day she did really well,but when I went to give her the evening shot she was limping and moaned as she walked. I got about 6cc's into her (oppostie side of leg she was limping on) subQ and she went down on me,moaned,legs peddled briefly,arched her neck and died. I had the epi,hubb even gave her epi again in the jugular and chest massage. What I have been trying to find out is WHY she went down during the shot,not before or after...during. She had been getting penicillan every 6 hours for about 9 days,14 days total. We didn't know to divide up the dose as you posted. Could this have been her downfall?