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Old 12/20/04, 02:49 PM
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At one time I thought LOL stood for Lost Of Love and when I wrote something very serious and close to a persons heart I would sign it.

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Old 12/20/04, 06:27 PM
 
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At one time I thought LOL stood for Lost Of Love and when I wrote something very serious and close to a persons heart I would sign it.

From bumpus LOL LOL LOL

They must of thought
That I was some kind of NUT :haha:

NO. NO coments from the peanut gallery either.

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Old 12/21/04, 01:58 PM
 
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I can see both sides of this one -- since I used to breed Anatolians, all my dogs were OFA'd etc. On the other hand, your typical homesteader cannot afford to throw out $500-1000 on a dog.

Interestingly enough, I have seen dogs who graded moderately or even severly dysplasic show NO signs whatsoever their entire lives. My own stud dog at 12 yr old, OFA Excellent is starting to gimp a bit....just arthritis at this point. But yes, you are going to pay quite a bit more for pups from OFA'd parents. And an awful lot of the real working dogs are neither papered or screened.

I think the absolute best way to keep LGDs out of rescue is to have them working. There is always a shortage of proven, good working dogs. You'll see someone on the lists just about every week looking for one. Kind of like the best thing you can do to for a horse is make sure it's broke to ride!

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Old 12/21/04, 09:57 PM
 
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I can see both sides of this one -- since I used to breed Anatolians, all my dogs were OFA'd etc. On the other hand, your typical homesteader cannot afford to throw out $500-1000 on a dog.

Interestingly enough, I have seen dogs who graded moderately or even severly dysplasic show NO signs whatsoever their entire lives. My own stud dog at 12 yr old, OFA Excellent is starting to gimp a bit....just arthritis at this point. But yes, you are going to pay quite a bit more for pups from OFA'd parents. And an awful lot of the real working dogs are neither papered or screened.

I think the absolute best way to keep LGDs out of rescue is to have them working. There is always a shortage of proven, good working dogs. You'll see someone on the lists just about every week looking for one. Kind of like the best thing you can do to for a horse is make sure it's broke to ride!

Tracy
WE will be breeding our 2 yr old Great Pyrennees female about Feb/March. This discussion raises interesting points...such as temperament testing...This is very important in a large dog with the ferocious capabilites of A Pyr (or Anatolian) etc. Choosing a Great Pyrennes from excellent bloodlines (yes, even show quality stock!) my cost a little more up front, but be worth it.
Our first Pyrenees was from a backyard breeder who disdained "registered dogs"
Nice male, but did put his mouth on the children if they wanted to brush him or put him away and he didn't want to. Outstanding LGD, but then he bit both my daughter and myself when we moved him away from an in-heat female. You may say, "Well what did you expect...?" and we should have been more careful. On the other hand, my current dogs would NEVER dream of putting their mouth on any of us.
Our second Pyrennees, this time a registered female, was very friendly, happy-go-lucky but every time she got out of her goat pen, she would bolt. More than that, we discovered (we were naive) that she only had a single dew-claw on her rear left foot, a BIG NO NO for Pyrs. It indicates either accidental breeding somewhere in the pedigree or just very poor breeding. When she was 8 months old she began chewing on the rear legs of the goats. I had heard of other people having this problem, and now got to see it first hand for myself.
She would also kill the chickens all the time because she wanted to catch them. MY current Pyrs are fabulous with the goats, chickens, horses and mst importantly, the children.
My point, yes , I was getting to it! is that there is more to a dog than the color of its' fur or its' predominate breed type.
Find a good breeder who believes Pyrs should be working animals (many breeders of the "show quality" Pyrs don't want them on ranches and farms-poor bored creatures!) See if they at least temperament test them themselves.
Our dogs sell for $500-$1200.00 . You may contact me directly at Blaiseo@aol.com if you would like to ask any more questions.
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Old 12/21/04, 10:44 PM
 
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Personally, I have found most problems in LGDs come from the owners rather than the dogs themselves. They are a big dominate dog, and if you aren't the alpha, they will happily take over. Not everyone has the personality to deal with them by any means.

Adolescent dogs chewing legs is not an uncommon thing, but it is certainly fixable with some patience. It is pretty unusal if the dog is born and raised in the goat pens. I know Sharon McCoy has a HUGE waiting list for her Pyrs, and she often takes older ones in to retrain -- she puts them in with big mean old cows who show them who is boss real quick <G> and has had good success with getting them back to goats.

The best thing I have ever done is let the older dogs train the young ones. They keep them right in line.

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Old 12/21/04, 11:01 PM
 
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A dog's behavior is at least 60% training.

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Old 12/22/04, 08:26 PM
 
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Tracy who do you know that has working Anatolians? I may be interested in getting a bitch in the spring.
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Old 12/22/04, 11:19 PM
 
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Greta Meyers in Jerome has them. She is still deciding when she is going to breed another litter. I have dibs in for a bitch as well, so hopefully she decides to do it soon!

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