Personal health testimonials about goat milk?

Narnia75 · #41 07/01/15, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mygoat

Raw milk is not gauranteed to kill you, but it did a lot of harm in years before pasteurization. But personally the benefits are not worth the risks. That will be my professional opinion when I enter practice as well, but will also offer information as to how to prevent illness if the owners decide to continue with raw.

What field will you be entering into practice? And would you mind sharing info now, as to how to prevent illness if the owners decide to continue with raw?

**mygoat** · #42 07/01/15, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Narnia75

What field will you be entering into practice? And would you mind sharing info now, as to how to prevent illness if the owners decide to continue with raw?

I am a veterinary student, with plans to practice food animal medicine. Because large animal/food animal medicine can be dangerous, as a backup plan I may get a masters/PhD in public health or something - but I've already been in college since 2008 already... :/

Phil V. · #43 07/01/15, 08:44 PM

It's helped me a lot drinking raw. Every time I drink store bought or pasteurized I get severe cramps. I also know 2 doctors that are MD's and 1 ER Doctor that prefer raw over pasteurized.

Narnia75 · #44 07/01/15, 10:41 PM

I believe that the live enzymes in unpasteurized digests the milk for you, so that you don't need your own enzymes to digest it.

**mygoat** · #45 07/01/15, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Narnia75

I believe that the live enzymes in unpasteurized digests the milk for you, so that you don't need your own enzymes to digest it.

You can believe what you want, but that is not how digestion works.

Everything taken in as food is broken down and digested very efficiently, including all milk proteins. The high pH of the stomach denatures them from an active state, and enzymes on the surface of the small intestine break them into pieces small enough to be absorbed. Milk 'digested for us' such as by lipase upon chilling, (though this is the cleaving of fats) usually makes it incredibly unpalatable. ('goaty' or 'cowy' depending on the common milk source).

Narnia75 · #46 07/01/15, 11:00 PM

I have read many articles which state that live, raw foods contain the enzymes to break down the food in digestion, so that not as much the body's own enzymes are necessary to digest it. Cooked foods require much more enzymes from the body to digest, thereby making the body work harder.

**mygoat** · #47 07/01/15, 11:07 PM

I'm skeptical, but that is my nature. From what I know, that doesn't make much sense.

Enzymes can work on something before digestion to alter it and make it easier to absorb, I suppose - many processes could do that, such as cooking or degradation - maybe lipase working on milk fat makes it easier to absorb, but significantly more disgusting/unpalatable, lol. Either way, enzymes in their natural state are rarely able to survive the pH in the stomach, so beyond the initial first hour or so in your body, aren't likely to be of much active use. Your body working 'harder' is relative - it's doing what it's supposed to do. I can understand different forms of food being easier/more difficult to digest, but would love to learn more from an unbiased scientific source about raw enzymes being measurably beneficial.

Bearfootfarm · #48 07/02/15, 02:44 AM

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I can understand different forms of food being easier/more difficult to digest, but would love to learn more from an unbiased scientific source about raw enzymes being measurably beneficial.

I was curious about that also, so I searched and found this as the second site that came up:

http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_..._busted?page=5

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4. “A raw-food diet provides enzymes that are essential to healthy digestion.”

“Raw foods are unprocessed so nothing’s taken away; you don’t get the nutrient losses that come with cooking,” says Brenda Davis, R.D., co-author of Becoming Raw: The Essential Guide to Raw Vegan Diets (Book Publishing, 2010).

But the claim by some raw-food advocates that eating raw boosts digestion by preserving “vital” plant enzymes, Davis explains, just doesn’t hold water.

“Those enzymes are made for the survival of plants; for human health, they are not essential.”

It’s true that heating a food above 118°F inactivates plant enzymes, “since enzymes are proteins and proteins denature [break down] with heat,” explains Andrea Giancoli, R.D., a Los Angeles-based spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association.

“But those enzymes are denatured—and thus inactivated—when they reach our stomachs. Our stomach acids are designed to break down proteins very efficiently.”

If associated with living micro-organisms (such as those in fermented foods like sauerkraut), plant enzymes might reach the small intestine intact, adds Davis, “but their overall contribution to human digestion appears minimal.”

Not surprisingly, it seemed most of the sites promoting the "raw is better" theory were also selling books or other products related to "food health", much like sites that promote DE as a cure-all

http://www.bing.com/search?q=raw+foo...09fec108ecf863

Vahomesteaders · #49 07/02/15, 05:54 AM

I can tell this. I am lactose intolerant. So is my son. All pasteurized milk products make us sick as a dog. But raw milk we don't get so much as burp. I also know that I have been going to a doctor the last few months trying to straighten out my b 12. My body was having a hard time obsorbing it. He said increase my raw and fermented food intake. He tested all my levels both blood and stool. After only 30 days the good bacteria took over the bad and I have been feeling much better. Raw is far better. Take milk. The vitamin d is cooked off. Which is my most says d fortified. Which is synthetic vitamin d and not obsorbed by most. The only vitamin that survives pasteurization is vitamin a. So your basically drinking white water.

Narnia75 · #50 07/02/15, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vahomesteaders

I can tell this. I am lactose intolerant. So is my son. All pasteurized milk products make us sick as a dog. But raw milk we don't get so much as burp. I also know that I have been going to a doctor the last few months trying to straighten out my b 12. My body was having a hard time obsorbing it. He said increase my raw and fermented food intake. He tested all my levels both blood and stool. After only 30 days the good bacteria took over the bad and I have been feeling much better. Raw is far better. Take milk. The vitamin d is cooked off. Which is my most says d fortified. Which is synthetic vitamin d and not obsorbed by most. The only vitamin that survives pasteurization is vitamin a. So your basically drinking white water.

Yes...an excellent example. I, too, have experienced a difference between pasteurized and unpasteurized milk. I tried pasteurizing at first, but could not drink the pasteurized. I felt awful and sinusy the next day.

Here is a very interesting study on calves that were fed pasteurized vs unpasteurized milk:

http://www.realmilk.com/health/tale-of-two-calves/

I enjoy this site in general:

http://www.realmilk.com/

So much good info. But, please make sure that you are drinking milk from disease-free animals!! And that you really trust the provider re sanitation! So, very important, as I had picked up brucella bacteria from a raw cow dairy. That is when I decided that we needed to be in control of the source of our raw milk, and even more so, after getting hairs in the goat milk that we bought. And one goat dairy that we visited was milking a goat that was foaming at the mouth!

**mygoat** · #51 07/02/15, 12:59 PM

I'm not convinced by 2 calves.

And there are many other studies more recent showing pasteurized unsaleable milk superior to poor replacers and equivalent to raw milk, but with far less risk of spreading diseases like MAP, mycoplasma, and listeria to your new heifers. Interestingly, this one shows ultra high temp milk to be inferior, but raw and pasteurized equivalent on calf performance. http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...d3eff3d6c22b2f

This was performed in the '60s, When I'm home I'm gonna try to remember to research more for my own use.

Bearfootfarm · #52 07/02/15, 02:21 PM

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And there are many other studies more recent showing pasteurized unsaleable milk superior to poor replacers and equivalent to raw milk, but with far less risk of spreading diseases like MAP, mycoplasma, and listeria to your new heifers.

LOL

I told someone that on another site, and a third poster jumped in to inform me I was a "clueless idiot" and they should be feeding a week old calf "eggs and powdered sugar" along with a "good grain mix"

**mygoat** · #53 07/02/15, 02:42 PM

Well, there are also studies of 'good replacers' compared to whole milk and 'bad replacers', and a good replacer is economical and effective. I don't know enough about cattle, but there is a LOT of dairy science out there. speaking of which, I need to try to remember to sign up for the Journal of Dairy science at some point... :P

Eggs and powdered sugar - the staple diet of every newborn calf...

Vahomesteaders · #54 07/02/15, 03:44 PM

The funny thing is. Alot of the diseases they say you can get from raw milk you can also get from unwashed eggs and gate handles and anything else you touch on the farm and touch your eye or mouth before washing your hands. So your just as at risk living with animals as drinking raw milk.

Bearfootfarm · #55 07/02/15, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vahomesteaders

The funny thing is. Alot of the diseases they say you can get from raw milk you can also get from unwashed eggs and gate handles and anything else you touch on the farm and touch your eye or mouth before washing your hands. So your just as at risk living with animals as drinking raw milk.

Most people are cooking their eggs, and not intentionally putting gate handles in their mouths, so your analogy isn't too accurate.

It's well documented fact that drinking raw milk increases health hazards, and that can't be rationalized away

Vahomesteaders · #56 07/03/15, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearfootfarm

Most people are cooking their eggs, and not intentionally putting gate handles in their mouths, so your analogy isn't too accurate.

It's well documented fact that drinking raw milk increases health hazards, and that can't be rationalized away

Obviously you don't read well. Simply touching those objects on a farm then rubbing your eyes or getting your hands near your mouth before washing can give you the same illnesses.

**mygoat** · #57 07/03/15, 03:02 PM

Listeria, brucella, and TB aren't usually hanging out on eggs or gate handles. Some diseases could be transmitted by dirty eggs, but that would be more like e.coli (though I don't think toxigenic ones are common in chicken poops, could be wrong) campylobacter, or salmonella. Campy causes goat abortions, not sure on him an abortion risk but maybe diarrhea in people - not a huaman med person, lol. Salmonella is mostly an issue with backyard flocks from handling chicks, and is not really a milk borne pathogen.

Either way, the fact that there is bacteria elsewhere doesn't make drinking raw any safer. Wash your hands.

GoldenWood Farm · #58 07/03/15, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Narnia75

Yes...an excellent example. I, too, have experienced a difference between pasteurized and unpasteurized milk. I tried pasteurizing at first, but could not drink the pasteurized. I felt awful and sinusy the next day.

Here is a very interesting study on calves that were fed pasteurized vs unpasteurized milk:

http://www.realmilk.com/health/tale-of-two-calves/

I enjoy this site in general:

http://www.realmilk.com/

So much good info. But, please make sure that you are drinking milk from disease-free animals!! And that you really trust the provider re sanitation! So, very important, as I had picked up brucella bacteria from a raw cow dairy. That is when I decided that we needed to be in control of the source of our raw milk, and even more so, after getting hairs in the goat milk that we bought. And one goat dairy that we visited was milking a goat that was foaming at the mouth!

I will have to read the study on the two calves. I know in my own experience within my herd and my animals the one year I decided to go full pasturized I ended up with 3 sick kids, lost one of them. When I fed pasturized milk to our dogs all three of them got the major runs and couldn't digest it.

Now I feed fully raw, (I test yearly) and the kids grow MUCH better, stay MUCH healthier and the dogs when we allow them to have milk can actually digest it. I am not sure the exact reason but from what I have seen raw digests easier than pasturized and seems healthier

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Justine

Bearfootfarm · #59 07/03/15, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vahomesteaders

Obviously you don't read well. Simply touching those objects on a farm then rubbing your eyes or getting your hands near your mouth before washing can give you the same illnesses.

I read very well, and your analogy is still nothing like drinking raw milk.

Keeping dirty hands out of your mouth is generally learned at a quite young age.

Citing other ways to get sick doesn't decrease the chances of contracting diseases from the milk

Drinking raw milk only adds to any risks, so I'm not sure what your example is supposed to prove