Barberpole resistance????

Clovers_Clan · #21 07/11/14, 11:13 AM

Something just occurred to me... Is your vet identifying Barberpole SPECIFICALLY, or just general type classification of eggs. No anemia, scours and decline in BCS can point to Brown Stomach Worm. Which Cydectin is not effective against. This is the only worm I've had issues with this year here in Georgia, Ivomec was effective.

togg75 · #22 07/11/14, 11:21 AM

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Push all that together and use only letters and numbers to get the address. I do it like that to keep bots from sourcing my email address. I have something that will work. We need fecal counts before and after to test it though.

GoldenWood Farm · #23 07/11/14, 01:03 PM

I took a class for FAMACHA and the fellow who taught it talked about barberpole worms. What Dona (Mygoat) said is pretty much spot on for what he was talking about. As far as the runny stool, barberpole doesn't cause the runs which is actually why it is so hard to spot and they use FAMACHA to look for it. Barberpole is up farther in the digestive tract and doesn't irritate the lower intestines like other types of worms do, this is why you don't see runny or clumpy stool with these worms. I agree with other people, something else is causing the goats to have the runs.

Part of the issue with barberpole is that is is becoming a superworm and many wormers are becoming ineffective towards it which is why they came up with the FAMACHA eye test. Worming those who only really need it, pasture rotation and culling are becoming some of the only ways to combat it. It is starting to become a problem over in Oregon as well. The guy who taught the class also talked about one area that the barberpole worm became completely immune to whatever wormer was thrown at it, he said whole herds where wiped out because of it.

Justine

Doug Hodges · #24 07/11/14, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovers_Clan

Something just occurred to me... Is your vet identifying Barberpole SPECIFICALLY, or just general type classification of eggs. No anemia, scours and decline in BCS can point to Brown Stomach Worm. Which Cydectin is not effective against. This is the only worm I've had issues with this year here in Georgia, Ivomec was effective.

They said Haemonchus Contortus

Doug Hodges · #25 07/11/14, 03:21 PM

I need to ask to see the report so I can post it on here next time. I usually just drop it off and they text me the results.

Doug Hodges · #26 07/11/14, 03:22 PM

Here is the last text I got from them.

Hello. We checked that stool sample on Nutmeg and she has haemonchus. These are resistant to most dewormers.

southerngurl · #27 07/11/14, 04:18 PM

Do you have free range poultry?

Do you have any low lyihng areas that tend to be moist or ponds/creeks on your property? Liver fluke can look like barberpole and I have heard of vets misdiagnosing it.

Moxidectin is the newest and best wormer there is for barberpole. Levamisole is also supposed to be good but I have no experience wiht it.

Don't reworm at 7 days, wait 10-11.

I've been giving mine the herbal stuff at a prevention level AND the chemical stuff (the herbs simply have to be dosed too many times a day for treatment level, I don't have that kind of time. I did it for a while but with my stupid chickens getting in their hay feeder with their dirty little feet it's too much until I get them put up).

I'm right down the road from you, I feel your pain. Same thing here, kids and yearlings tend to all be dark pink. It's my darn milkers I have to watch!

TeenyTinyFarm · #28 07/11/14, 05:07 PM

If I were in your shoes, I think at this point I would send off fecals on everyone to that place that runs them for $5 each to get a complete snapshot of the whole herd. I checked out their form when someone else posted the link and it looks like they give counts on each worm type and also coccidia. I would imagine that information might give you better focus on how to deal with the problem. It would be costly, but you have invested quite a bit in your herd. These are just my thoughts, but I haven't had to experience what you are dealing with. I empathize with your frustration.

Doug Hodges · #29 07/11/14, 05:19 PM

Ashley
I've used the prohibit successfully and still have enough to do the whole herd. It's just scary because of exact dosages. Id hate to overdose.

Edit: no free range poultry since last year. No low lying areas. I dosed them with Valbazen when this started and it didn't cure the first time.

One more edit. The reason for 7 days is one had runny butt 7 days after the first dose.

Doug Hodges · #30 07/11/14, 05:25 PM

It is frustrating teeny. The first thing I notice is drop in milk production. Then scouring the next day or next. The silly things still want to eat. I pamper my goats and they get the best of everything.

Twobottom · #31 07/11/14, 05:29 PM

I've never had a problem with scours being caused by barber pole. Typically its lethargy, pale eyelids, and bottlejaw. Barber pole are blood suckers IDK why they would cause scours.

I think there is something else going on. But if you are looking for another effective wormer there is Prohibit. It has been very effective for us in our sheep. BUT be cautioned if over dosed it can kill your goats. Personally I have never had a problem and I tend to mix my doses a tad stronger than recommended. It has been effective against barber pole for us. In fact, that is all we have used. When we see decreased effectiveness we will switch to cydectin.

Clovers_Clan · #32 07/11/14, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenyTinyFarm

If I were in your shoes, I think at this point I would send off fecals on everyone to that place that runs them for $5 each to get a complete snapshot of the whole herd. I checked out their form when someone else posted the link and it looks like they give counts on each worm type and also coccidia. I would imagine that information might give you better focus on how to deal with the problem. It would be costly, but you have invested quite a bit in your herd. These are just my thoughts, but I haven't had to experience what you are dealing with. I empathize with your frustration.

I agree. If they aren't giving actual counts its not particularly helpful. You can't do comparisons over time and across animals. What one vet considers high may differ from another's. And it sounds probable that more than one vet or tech is doing the counts. Its admirable that they're helping you out doing them for free but now that a problem has been identified its really time for accuracy and consistency. I would start by calling or emailing and ask if they took notes about the actual numbers. Also find out how they tested. Some procedures(I believe its float) cannot isolate all types of parasite eggs. I don't think you need to sample every goat in the herd. Start with only the ones who are symptomatic or a few of the milkers. Ask them for a more precise fecal and that you will pay. Just a few samples may give you all the information you need.

togg75 · #33 07/12/14, 09:13 PM

Hey I got your address im mailing you something on Monday...

togg75 · #34 07/14/14, 08:13 AM

Doug,

I need you to confirm your zip code plz

togg75 · #35 07/14/14, 03:19 PM

The package has been sent

togg75 · #36 07/14/14, 03:47 PM

The package has been sent

Doug Hodges · #37 07/14/14, 07:29 PM

Just saw your message. To late now. 72653

togg75 · #38 07/14/14, 08:38 PM

No problem. I can email you a tracking number. We picked the right zip code

lasergrl · #39 07/14/14, 09:17 PM

I ordered levimasole injectable from the u.k.
I do NOT use it unless I have one that is really having problems. It always works. In fact I have had many fecals of 0 worm eggs after using it on heavily infested goats.

Doug Hodges · #40 07/15/14, 11:19 AM

Another milker with runs today. Fecal showed very low stronglye count. I think I need to put out new baking soda.