WARNING:EPA wants your puddle

Agree. Many smart kids are looking at college and thinking, "Where can I get a good paying job doing something I really like to do." And many of those smart kids are science oriented...not lawyer oriented. What better way to spend your life than outdoors in the open country....Now, where are all those smart, well educated kids going to be employed? Just like the sweet, nice, caring kids who take up social work...got to have jobs, too! Where? Government is often the answer. SMALL LANDOWNERS EACH WITH A SEPTIC SYSTEM, EACH WITH FENCES, EACH FRAGMENTING THE "NATURAL WORLD" ARE
IN THE WAY, folks. When you add the science, outdoor kids to the sweet, caring kids and put them all into government you get an elite group of people who KNOW they are better than thou AND who need to keep that great job. They are not on your side no matter what they say!!
Northern California is one of the saddest, most tragic government condemnations ever. How you all are hanging on, I have no idea...but sadly, I do not think it will be for long...even if you secede!! Harry Reid meant what he said, "Rural areas no longer count."
The control freaks, the kids with their good jobs, the environmentalist religious types are all against the small landholder. They will not be satisfied until America is one big national part with a few big cities for people who are strictly controlled by population, and every other way you can imagine. Your reward for accepting this will be a vacation of 2 weeks each year to visit the parks...see the buffalo, the elk, the bears. CALL YOUR SENATOR,
CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE. I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH IN THIS STATEMENT: ONLY CONGRESS CAN STOP THE EPA AND OBAMA. ONLY CONGRESS. THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED THAT EPA HAS THE STANDING TO CONTROL ALL WATER.

thk u very much alice for ur links!i followed and commented epa's public response.bet they don't contact me....anyone got bail mony?

bigjon, That's great! Remember though, the "comment period" is just to say "we did it" It does not have anything to do with what they will do. That decision has been made.
The only people in this world who can stop the EPA legally is the Congress and the biggest problem there will be the Senate which is made up of Democrats who support Obama. Contact your senators...both of them...and your representative in the House, too.
I googled "contact Jason smith congressman from Missouri" and the info came right up.
Same with my senators, "contact ........ senator from Missouri"

here there are programs where they will reimburse your fence cost if you cross fence for rotational grazing, will pay for 95% of the cost of putting in livestock wells if you fence off streams and bodies of water that are of use to others than yourself.

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I'm a goat person, not a people person,
De @ Udderly Southern Dairy Goats
we will be adding a new breed in the spring

State programs? I honestly have only heard of the EPA (federal) insisting on you doing what they say or they will fine you - or worse. You might be familiar with the family in Wyoming with the $75,000. a day fine OR tear down their pond after they had gotten all paperwork, permits, etc., approved by the STATE? They are fighting it, but the opinion of the lawyers is that they cannot win.
In a perfect world, the good government would tell us the truth and help us meet our obligations to the environment. I don't see ANY of that happening. I think that people who have been living under oppressive regulations for a while (like in CA) will come closer to letting us know what really happens when the feds control everything. Personal/local control once relinquished is gone forever.

Equip program you go through an "agent" to get the approval from the EPA grants I believe, we dont qualify because we are short a 1/10 of an acre

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I'm a goat person, not a people person,
De @ Udderly Southern Dairy Goats
we will be adding a new breed in the spring

If you don't mind ( it is none of our business, obviously!) what were you all attempting to correct?

if you are replying to me Im not sure I understand. I found out about the program through some classes I was taking and the though to my fencing not costing anything was appealing and not having to haul water

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I'm a goat person, not a people person,
De @ Udderly Southern Dairy Goats
we will be adding a new breed in the spring

Yes! Keep in mind that I am computer illiterate and that sometimes slows the process! lol
I know that in MO there are State programs for helping with agriculture projects...just not familiar with the one you are talking about. In general, I have to say that I really would not want the feds telling me what to do with my drainage ditch, my wet weather creek that cuts my property into two separate pieces, or my farm pond.

right now my undies are in a wad over the scrapies tags they are saying I will have to put in all my goats (all goats period that leave the farm for anyone) they are ugly and ear tags are just dangerous, still trying to figure out where the lamanchas is supposed to go.
The goverment has no fear of its people, if we dont see another revolution in the next 20 years I will be surprised but of course the commercial farms that are making people sick are ok, but watch out for us little people who ---- on our own food for the fun of it (being sarcastic) Hopefully people will get tired of being sheep after single payer socialized healthcare scandal

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I'm a goat person, not a people person,
De @ Udderly Southern Dairy Goats
we will be adding a new breed in the spring

There may well be a "revolution".... certainly obama is having his right now! Unfortunately, most people really are out of touch with farming and animal husbandry and do not understand how important the rural, agriculture life is to the country. Locked up in their little suburbs, watching Nature on PBS and consoling themselves that at least they aren't as dumb as the "rednecks." If we are to stand a chance of survival...and I am not talking about surviving a EMP...I mean surviving as a way of life: the small farm, sustainable, family oriented, small homes, numbers of animals and small gardens to feed ourselves and the community, we will have to make our voices heard! Again, it is the FRAGMENTATION of the land - the divisions into small plots - that is the problem for the conservationist/environmentalist/nanny statist. They really believe in the "connectedness of nature" and they also believe that we do not belong here. Some because it is their religion...but many, many more because it is all about controlling other people, controlling the King's forest, controlling everything because they can, because they need to do it, because they would not have a job without it.

As far as ear tags, I'd only use them if I send them to auction. If you have registered goats, the tattoo is adequate as the scrapies program only need sto be able to trace back to your herd in the event that the goat tests positive at some point - highly, highly, highly unlikely.

Oh, and lamancha tags go in the tail web or in the flank. Or, I've also seen the small ones in the flesh behind the ear. If it's just for auction, who cares.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

You're talking about EQIP (Environmental Quality Incentives Program), which is an NRCS (Natural Resources Conservation Service) program. It's federal, but not through the EPA.

Call your local NRCS or Soil Conservation District to find more more about that program. And like someone mentioned, many states also offer cost-share for best management practices to help protect or repair the environment.

Received a reply from Republican Senator to my email: "(He) does not support the recently proposed draft CWA significantly expanding EPA and Corps regulatory authority
This rule provides unlimited CWA jurisdiction despite consistent congressional opposition and the primary role staes have taken historically in the preservation of their bodies of water. This proposed rule would have a serious economic impact on farm families and jeopardize productive activities..."
He goes on to say that he and other Senators (did not name them) have written to EPA
expressing opposition to the expansion. Today 6/2/14 at 4:51pm
I did check the box on each of my reps forms asking them to respond to my email.