Little bit of a craigslist rant

Control or no control...she is venting because she is frustrated and she is entitled to do that.

I wish dog breeders felt that way.

I get a kick out of the people selling/giving away horses on craigslist. The horse, for one reason or another, is no longer useable in any fashion but it HAS to go to a loving forever home and cannot ever be sold or given away. Why are they getting rid of it then?

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I don't know, maybe she's getting frustrated because she's looking for a goat she can eat if she wants, and all she keeps finding are ads for pet-only homes. That would be frustrating. Perhaps she just wanted to vent for a moment. *Surely* you can understand that? Because you keep participating in the thread when you don't agree with the OP. Not trying to be condescending, but just trying to get you to see that you're doing the same thing.

My bad! I guess it must be my male mind thinking that if someone writes or says words complaining or venting about something they must want a solution or it to be fixed

I'll just not look at threads with the word vent in them in livestock forums.

Have at it.

How about it's usually the last line in the ad and they are wasting my time. It doesn't make me angry--- I like how people twist things or don't understand the difference between irritation, frustration and actual anger--- that actually does make me angry.

I guess I'm just trying to understand the mentality of someone who ?

When scanning the CL I skip every livestock ad that says in the title 'no meat' I also skip any that don't have pictures. I am not irritated with those people, I am irritated when the last line of the ad is 'NO MEAT HOMES!!!!' or, worse when I like what I see and make the call and am forced to interact with a person I would not otherwise have bothered with because it's then they tell me the varied restrictions they have on to whom they will sell... none of which involve a standard of care just silly citified nonsense like you have to pinky swear never to sell this animal. They have wasted my time by not being up front in their ad that they were looking for an adoption home with re-homing fees attached not actually selling.

Seriously, they are cutting into my Minecraft time when they aren't up front in their ads.

That made me giggle. Lots.

I give them an A for effort
(then roll my eyes)

If they think they are going to take my money then tell me what I can and can't do with the product, they've got another thing coming

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I think that's a great policy.

On my website, under terms of sale, I say I don't sell for meat. BUT that's not because I'm against it. I have a couple of wethers right now I would sell for meat. I just don't trust all the possible weirdos who might show up on my site, which is also why I don't list my address or phone # there. Maybe some on CL are doing the same?

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Nothing vague about this ad...clear and concise.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/4453239177.html

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I cannot agree with the OP more. After seeing horrendous pet homes completely ignorant of care BUT that 'love' their pet goats a lot, I'd much rather butcher or sell something for meat than sell to those homes. Through the years I've learned to do many things to HELP ensure the quality of life for the animals that I sell. Here, that includes disbudding dairy goats, improving my genetics, offering registered animals whenever possible, participating in performance programs, pricing my animals fairly, advertising meat for the animals I think should be sold as meat, and producing healthy, productive animals.

My opinion on pet animal breeding is very different from my opinion on breeding livestock.

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OMG... I suppose though, before my imagination runs wild with person after person showing up with garbage bags, it really only takes once for one to add that little clause.

I'd like to see more straight forward ads like that, for sure.

I had people once to use a belt to hog tie a goat and sick it in a trunk (I ended up delivering the goat to them)
I ask for adequate transportation in my ads

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I think what concerns me most, is not that some owners are trying to place a goat in a "non-meat" home, its that too many people breed for "pets" thinking its an easy way to make money. I'm speaking of the puppy mill type operations. No rhyme, reason or plan to breeding, just get any old goat and breed it. Don't put any effort into learning proper management. Then when it comes time to sell they don't recognize they've created an unusable animal that will require someone's time and resources to survive. They won't give the animal a second thought once its gone, but somehow can't come to grasp with selling it to someone who WILL make use of it by eating it. If everyone were breeding for purpose, i.e. milk and meat, there would be fewer "throw aways". I commend people who take in unwanted animals as pets - as brush control and companions - as long as they care for them well AND DON'T TURN AROUND AND BREED THEM FOR "FUN" AND PROFIT!!! In my book, when you choose to breed an animal you aren't just responsible for creating a life, you are ultimately responsible for its life and death as well. To breed animals on a whim because babies are so cute, without regard to their potential quality of life, is despicable. I'd much rather sell my wethers to a meat buyer that I know will give them proper care and a humane end.

This is what I meant earlier when I said I didn't trust possible weirdos...lol!

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I breed my goats because I want milk, plain and simple. With that being said, however, I'm more than willing to eat the resulting kids myself or sell them to someone who will. I call goat kids a "necessary evil" for milk production, but somehow I've decided to keep 4 (3 doelings and a buckling) of the 6 born here this year

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Lol, I use electrical tape to keep baby goats from wandering my tent trailer at night when camping. I fold one front leg back and tape it to the back leg on the same side so they are in a comfortable laying down position. It saves me from having to bring a giant crate and they get to sleep on my bed.

Rudy almost ended up hogtied when I went to pick him up because the crate I brought was just barely big enough for him.

I think you hit the nail on the head and I wish I could "like" this a thousand times!

I get your frustration. It makes it a little more difficult to sift through the marketplace. But I don't find any fault in someone wanting to restrict sale, though. To try and assume their intentions, is, well presumptuous. Even if the reason is that the seller is incapable of taking care of the animal, we should at least laud them for trying to find someone like-minded that is capable.

FWIW, we did a 'one-size-fits-all' for our bucklings this year. In it, we pretty much list all of the possible uses, and leave it up to the buyer. We've had takers for pets and breeding stock. No meat buyers, yet. If none show up, I'm at the front of the meat buyer line.

FWIW x2- I was recently the recipient of the CL police. We listed a week old bottle dairy steer for $500. I had angry calls and texts from people put off by the price. "It's not worth a nickel over $200!". I sold it in less than a day for $425. (I'm glad you aired your rant here, and not at the sellers.)

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Here's other side of the coin, sometimes small kids can't handle the idea of the goat they loved on being killed and eaten. My 5yr old is vegetarian because he thinks it's unfair for any animal or fish to die for him. He made an ethical decision and thought it through, he sticks to it. If I took a baby goat that he has loved on and had it butchered it would crush him. So yes I do sometimes advertise they are not for meat. After all my first job is to be his mom and show compassion. If that means you won't buy it then that's perfectly fine.

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But they also have to learn that that is part of life, even if he chooses not to make it a part of his. I actually ended up with one of my cats because he caught baby rabbits and that bothered the child of his previous owners. Instead of educating her about cats and what they eat, they got rid of a 12 year old cat they'd had all his life because of a child's tears.

I can kind of understand not eating the animal in your family, but that's it. However, you are also, thankfully, free do whatever you see fit!

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