i've had does show all the signs you've mentioned and still be a week or two away from freshening. it really widely varies. i had a doe with discharge for almost three weeks- when it turns color and thickens and becomes profuse that is when she is ready. i wouldn't go in unless there were more and clear signs of distressed labor. i don't think she is there yet :) but next time you will know these signs are normal for her (at least i'm hoping they are normal for her). another sign of nearing birth within a couple hours is wanting to be alone- trying to go off to a corner.

IMO I think it is safe for you to go run errands.

From those pics, she's not doing anything any time soon.

I really do encourage you to stop at your friendly vet and get the injectable CMPK: Works fast, no fighting, just get it on board.

In the past, when my Trub had quads, it really wore her out. She lay there like a beached whale, breathing and moaning and demanding goodies. The CMPK in the last couple of weeks really helped her out. (Thank God she had twins last year. Hoping for the same this time.)

Keep us posted. You're doing fine. {hug}

Oh, yeah: What Tango said. Unless she's been pushing for an hour with nothing, don't attempt to go in. You won't get far, and it will stress her.

Based on the pictures, she's not kidding soon.

Got the cmpk at tractor supply. They only had the liquid. How much orally? I'll update when I get home and check on her. Thank you all. I'm so clueless. :D

Taste it and see if you are going to have to add something sweet to it. :)

In the pic of you reaching around the tailhead, you're missing the ligs. The idea is to find the ligs, not to reach around the tailhead. :) On a non-preggo doe, you can reach around the tailhead if you try too low on the spine, more towards the tail.

she still looks a ways off to me in those pics. Not uddered up at all, and vulva still very tight. Though, goats don't have a dramatic vulva loosening like sheep seem to... when I stayed at the sheep barn here at MSU to do lamb watch, I was amazed by the sheep vulvas, lmao.

I've learned a lot about calcium homeostasis and I do not give any calcium pre-kidding. In fact, research in dairy cattle shows that being a little deficient in calcium in late pregnancy helps to improve proper calcium homeostasis in cows at calving, and that feeding excess calcium pre-calving reduces the animals' ability to maintain calcium homeostasis as is necessary during parturition. No reason to believe goats are any different. I do however, start feeding alfalfa pellets post-kidding and will dose a doe with calcium the day of kidding with CMPK if I feel she needs it. I use the paste. People say it's caustic, just be sure to wipe it off of your skin and the goats' lips if it gets everywhere, and it should be fine. It doesn't taste good, but it's the most convenient for me to give. I've given it to a few animals post-kidding and never regretted it. They act about the same when I give cydectin for deworming, or any other nasty tasting oral drench. :P

I agree with Mygoat & hold off on the CMPK, glad you got it though but I give it to my girls the day they kid when I see them in labor just as a precautionary measure. I know it's not going to hurt them but it may help kinda thing.

I'm used to the dry diet of dairy cows and also treated my dairy goats in the same way. Coming back to this after a few years absence, I've questioned the diets others are feeding their goats prior to freshening but thought information had changed with new research. I'm really out of the loop but still planned to feed my dairy does the same way I've always fed. Food can debilitate as much as it can support. I feel that cmpk is too caustic and can cause some additional problems when a doe is already having problems. This is just my personal thought based on my limited experience. Not trying to tell others not to give it - it can save the life of the doe - but ideally we should be providing a supportive diet that will reduce pre or post parturition nutiritional deficiencies. Calcium is a biggy.

I have had great success in supplementing with CMPK when a goat is heavy bred and struggling. I don't use it prophylactically, only when it is indicated.

While I am sure that the research on cows is encouraging, I'm still on the fence when it comes to applying bovine findings to caprine animals. Goats are, as we have noted on many occasions, more like deer than they are like cows.

<shrug> Maybe my gals are just oddballs, I don't know... But I do know that the extra boost when their bodies are working so hard in pregnancy works for them.

I appreciate all the help and advice from everyone. Has anyone said how much liquid cmpk to give her... And when I should do I
It? I'm not sure how they act if they need it but I'll be on the look out and keep you all updated :D that way you can tell me if she needs it or not.

What percentage of a cow's body weight is a newborn calf, compared to multiple kids in a doe? I am curious how or how much that effects the calcium needs of a doe.

OMG, I know exactly what you mean!! When I first got sheep, I was like, holy crap, you are going to lamb any minute, and it would be a month later--because of how floppy they get. No wonder sheep have so many more problems with vaginal prolapse than goats...

Depends on breed of cow and of bull. My Jersey would have calves around 80 lbs and she was about 800 pounds. My Guernsey, bred to a Jersey bull had a small calf of about 80 - 90 pounds and she was about 900 lbs.

Well her ligs went away, then came back Ever so slightly, but now they are gone again....her pooch is super puffy now and opened, and she's leaking a yellow goop, not a stream, but a drip...I think. Every time I go out she's rubbing on something or my perverted little beagle pup is licking her lady parts...so not sure but as of when he quit licking, it was a drip. :eek: her sides are more caved in now then this morning...still no dramatic huge bag though. The previous breeder never did get back to me so I don't know if she bags up before or after.

Plus we have an ice storm warning for tomorrow morning. ..go figure:mad:

I feel the oral CMPK the day they kid is not going to hurt them & may just help with sluggish labor, etc. so I give it most of the time. My does' love it, doesn't burn their mouths & I give about 30cc when they kid or are in labor/just before. Wether you give it is up to you. Just keep a real close eye on her & if you think she's in labor & could benefit from a little extra then give it to her.

She might be getting ready to kid since there's a storm warning for you, that would be most of our luck when it comes to goats.

Help help help!!#:eek: ok, last night and this morning she was fine. No changes. She seemed a bit drained so I have her just ten cc's oh the cmpk about seven pm. This morning, still normal. Just laying down. Chewing cud. Ate breakfast, or some of it. Went inside. Came back two hours later...now she's not eating. Not chewing cud. Not laying down. She has a long thick goob of white yellow discharge hanging. She is stand offish unless I sit, then she's all up on me. My question is and I am freaking out!!!! She has soft poop. Like little cow Patties. What is wrong!!!! PS were in the I've storm. She still doesn't have a bag of milk. And I am a dumbass, sorry, :( who didn't think to buy colostrum powder. Super scared right now. Is this normal. Please talk to me

It keep tangling in her fur, but hers some of it. What is this??

Not sure about the pooh but the white goo I would say she is going to kid within 12 hours..are her ligaments gone or soft?

My does would stand in a corner for a bit then go eat then stand in a corner and they did that during early labor.

Her ligaments are gone and the area around then is smooshy...and the tail looks like its not connected to her spine...does that make sense?? Idk. She's still in the corner grinding her teeth. Belching and staring....I'm so worried. Plus my husband is in Texas, so is just me, the ice storm and my four kids...

I have no experience I swear. Geesh. The first goat I delivered was injured and old, I had to do all the work, go in, twist them right, pull them out. She had no signs other than grunting and pushing.
The second goat I had, had no signs but delivered a boy all on her own. And i mean...no signs!! Found him that day. The third goat, had the ligs, huge bags, and streaming....
This one....no ligs, not hungry or thirsty, not laying down, not talking to kids, keeps licking the air. No bag, is backed into a corner staring at the wall. Grinding her teeth.... Repositioning her back like it hurts and stretching, and the goo. Why can't all goats be the same.



Did I mention you all are the most incredible people I know. I'd be running around like a chicken with my head cut of if I couldn't act foolish and vent like a raving lunatic to you all. :p:thumbup::eek::what::D

That white stuff is just hoo goo. She's not serious until you see clear, amber-colored goo hanging down in a big rope.

Breathe, get your gloves, lube, naval dip, lots of towels, the CMPK, etc. all together so when the time is right you can grab it & go.
Just keep a close eye on her. Sounds like she's may be getting ready but with goats they fool us sometimes.
Hang in there & remember to breathe!

Thank you guys. All the medical bag is ready and waiting. Ive been watching her closely. SHe is acting way different. Lol. And grinding her teeth so hard it makes me cringe. Is there anything i should do or be concerned about with the stool. Its now diarhhea. ill post pics of her soon.

Her poo may just be like it is if kidding is imminent.

Phew. I've had some say yes its normal, don't worry, means its time. But then I've read forums and over searched it to the point where I'm scared.

The app is only letting me upload one pic at a time

Tried offering her molasses and her favorite treats...she isn't eating anything. Poor girl:(

This wasn't like this yesterday... Great timing Miss Trouble

PS...her companion, Miss Cottonball...is ready to"kid" also.lol
Must be this gorgeous sunny weather were having

I hope she has them babies soon & all is well so we all can quit worrying! She'll have us all Batty!

I agree. I an sitting in the barn in twenty degree weather watching her nest and squat and grind....:what: she hasn't laid down once in five hours. I keep peeking in her stall to check...same corner. Same stare. My poor sweet girl. :p still not eating...I guess well know soon enough what her "normal" is. She is definitely different that my others.

Have you given her any of the oral Cal MPK from TSC to see if that will help her?
The one picture looks like she's pushing her head against the wall? Maybe she's getting babies into position.

How often should I give the cmpk

I gave her some last night, but not yet today. I'm afraid to stress her and didn't know how often would be ok...

I usually only give it once when they are ready to kid or shortly after, have never given it more than once but I don't think it will hurt her to give it to her now.
Hopefully someone else will jump in to reassure us both on that question.

Does she seem in distress or just like she's getting ready?

she doesnt seem distressed persay, just has this far away stare and bewildered look. head against the wall. not eating or laying down.. just getting ready i guess....or faking it really well to fulfill "The Code":bouncy:

The white goo looks like her mucous plug coming out. She looks to be in labor by your description and other pics. Sounds like you will have babies soon, I hope! And of course she is kidding at the worst time. For one, she's a goat...for two, you named her Trouble...what else would you expect! ;)

Lol...she was named trouble when I got her ;-) and she been plenty of it. I don't think she was treated very well by her last owner, not the original breeder, but the one after that, because she doesn't like people or to be touched or nothing. She's content to just be left alone. :D until, now...she's still pretty skittish, although she's more accepting of me right now:thumbup: she finally is laying down after not doing so all day.... I'm hoping for babies soon. Praying consistently more like it! :cool: