Cocci prevention
 

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http://www.jefferspet.com/smz-med-45...LIV/cp/MOB-S1/



http://www.jefferspet.com/sulfamed-g...IV/cp/0041253/




For prevention for kids

Are these mostly the same thing as Baycox?

Without clicking on the links - no, these are not the same as baycox. These are Sulfa drugs or Amprolium (corid).

"Baycox" is toltrazuril.

All of these drugs will work for prevention, but must be used correctly to be effective. Correct dosage by weight, correct timing between doses, correct number of doses in a series. Toltrazuril (baycox) settles so it is REALLY important to SHAKE the bottle before drawing. If I'm dosing several kids, I keep shaking the bottle often.

Farmer Jayne, these are a few of the various types of cocci meds. There are more. Baycox is it's own kind of med. The sulfa's such as the one listed above are given usually for 5 days in a row every 3 weeks. These various links are really just for 2 of the cocci meds, but in different forms. Of the two, I'd only use one that has sulfadimethoxine (Di-methox) as the active ingredient. You can also use Corid, I can't remember the active ingredient, deccoquinate (Deccox), or rumensin. There are yet more of them, also.

I've had failing results with corrid

Im open to suggestions

I'm having trouble finding Baycox, which seems to be a favorite here. I didn't think it was Rx, but can't find it. Little help?

baycox is not a drug you will find in the US because its not approved in the US and I wasnt happy with the product when I go it from Horse Prerace.
I however had great success in using marquiese which is a horse drug that is the equivalent of baycox except its in a easy to use paste. Yes, its expensive but like baycox its a once every three weeks if you have a bad problem type drug.
However without cleaning up poop nothing is going to work to its full potential.
(Bethelehem vet sells in goat size doses I get a whole tube but its like $240 but that goes a long long long way)

You can get it from horseprerace.com just search google for baycox and I think it's the first result or up close. As mentioned above, shake it immediately before dosing. Works better than anything IMO for treatment, very fast.

I have heard that cocci are getting resistant to Corid. I have heard both ways for Baycox...people love it or hate it. Look for toltrazuril (I think that's the spelling?). It is not legal in the US, not FDA approved. Yet one more reason not to use it if you are producing food. I bottle raise all my kids and have been using Deccox-M; it goes in the milk...works well as far as I can tell. I haven't had cocci problems using that. But then, I don't know if I would anyway, but I assume so, because my goats pasture and the kids pasture with adults.

http://www.jefferspet.com/di-methox-.../LIV/cp/A2-AE/

This is what I use for Coccidiosis prevention & never have had any issue with cocci in over 7 years with goats.

Please share how to use the di-methox? Jeffers only shows the injection.

Thanks

The 40% injection is given orally. Day 1, 1cc/5lb. Day 2-5, 1cc/10lb. I squirt it in their milk till they get older and the dose is large- they will refuse to drink strongly medicated milk... :) I hate this method because it's 5 days long. Baycox is a one time dose. And it doesn't taste bad so I can keep adding it to the milk. :D


Was thinking about decoxx, how does that work? Have to measure out by weight or what? Daily?

I usually feed a decoxx medicated feed but until they're eating a lot of it, it's not effective. I creep feed and try to keep milk rations reasonable to encourage eating solid foods.

It was recommended to me by tracy stampke at soldier mtn alpines. She uses 1 tsp per day per kid. Its a poweder mixed in the milk. Doesnt have a flavor...actually i think any flavor it has is hidden because it's mixed with lactose. It is a daily dose so you font have to remember to give it every 3 weeks. I start the kids on it at a week old.

Thank you all. This has been very helpful. These meds are almost as confusing as wormers.

I went with dimethox 40%.
It's what I know most about and seem to be able to find most info

The di-methox 40% is the only thing have found to work out of what is listed. However, I only use it as a treatment when needed. For preventative I like the fallowing -

Used this one for 3 years now and love the results -

http://www.probioticsmart.com/pets/c...medicated.html

Used this one last year to finish them off -

http://www.jefferspet.com/deccox-m/camid/LIV/cp/D8-D1/

These won't help much though if you are dam raising. I didn't have much luck with Baycox. This year I am playing around with some herbal tinctures.

Think it also depends on your area.

Kristen:
What dosage did you use for calf-pro? Did you use it with lambars?
With the Deccox-m, what dosage did you use? Also...did you use lambars or bottles?

Thanks!

Josie, I'm not Kristen, but I use the Deccox-M 1 tsp per kid per day.

Kristen, why did you use the calf pro and then the deccox, rather than just one or the other?

I had brought an expecting almost 2 years old doe a few weeks ago, and she was on the small side, so I asked about that on here, and I was told that it could have been Coccidiosis. Can I get DI-Methox and give her some of that now or wait until after she kids, and will that help her grow more or is it too late for her to grow anymore?

Goats attain full growth at about three years of age. It's worth a try.

Nancy...1 tsp per kids regardless of weight? Until six months-ish?

Yeah, regardless of weight. It does have a weight thing on the package, I think for calves, but 1 tsp is for about 100 lbs body weight I think it was (it's on the package). I was advised by Tracy Stampke (Soldier Mtn Alpines) to use that dosage. Decoquinate is hard to OD on, and my kids did fine with it at that dosage last year. I just used it until weaning time last year, but this year, I have found a concentrated Deccox pellet that I can mix with grain, so I am going to use that after weaning to keep them on their cocci prevention a little while longer. I usually wean my doelings at about 4 months. 6 months ish on the deccox is probably sufficient.

For the calf pro I fallow the same directions as for cows - 1 ml per 11 lbs, starting at 3 days of age and continuing until weaning. I give it once a day until they are a month old, and then twice a day after that - but I usually have a larger group of kids (20+) all fed with lambars.


On the deccox I started out at 1/2 tsp until a month old, and then 1 tsp per kid after, once daily in the lambar.


I switched to deccox last year in the middle - because I had some on hand and my calf pro ran out. Didn't feel like ordering another gallon and wanted to give the deccox a try.

I keep kids on cocci meds until they are weaned - about 5-7 months of age.


This year if I have space I think I'll split the kids into two groups and see which does better.

Thanks Kristen :) I am curious to hear the results of your trial if you get a chance to set one up.

I think I may try the deccox this year. Seems like it goes a long way. How long does a 5lb bag last you?

Thanks! Should I treat my other grown goats too, or just the new one?

Dona, I have a question.

I was looking at the timing for the dosing and looked at Fiascofarm site, because I couldn't recall the ages for dosing.

http://fiascofarm.com/goats/coccidio...m#treatnatural

Under her 'first choice for chemical treatment'. She lists the 12.5% solution with 1ml per 5lbs dose. What has been discussed here is the 40%- or 400mg per ml. Please confirm this because 12.5% vs 40% is a huge difference in meds consumed.

Now, perhaps, because her preference of a 'natural' vs 'chemical' approach has her using less than what those who are less worried about chemical use.

I don't mean to question your abilities or knowledge/experience in any way, just looking for confirmation.

Thanks so much

Bump, for confirmation please

A lot of doses on Fiasco Farm I don't agree with (among other things... :P). The dosing that should be used for the 12.5% solution is listed on the Dairy Goat Info forum. Here is the link:

http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/f28/coc...s-doses-21499/

3.2cc/5lbs for the 12.5% solutions.

The 40% is 1cc per 5lbs.

Thank you for the confirmation!

Depends how many kids you are feeding and for how long!! If you had like one doe kidding a year, a bag would practically be a lifetime supply (LOL), but it would expire. ;) I think I used about 2 bags last year, and I kept 10 kids to weaning, plus many many more for shorter time periods.

I figured it would vary. :P We have a very small herd of dairies I have 4 does freshening (and that's too many) and usually sell the wethers at a couple weeks old on the bottle for 25.00 apeice (no papers obviously). I don't plan on keeping many doelings (if any) but hope to keep a buckling (and a wether for company). Sounds like it would be pretty easy and would last me the whole season.

I use the same amount that Dona listed for the 40% inj. given orally.

If they are all about the same age or younger than 2 years old I'd give it a try on all of them. It won't hurt them & may help if they were never on coccidiosis prevention as kids.