Following the rules (Baby Pics)

Doug Hodges · #41 01/22/14, 12:59 PM

Woohoo!!! 8 ozs for little girl. No tube. Sucked it right down. Little boy got 7. He sucked down half and wouldn't take the rest on his own.

Farmer Jayne · #42 01/22/14, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

They aren't able yet. They are getting stronger but it's 19 degrees and they are pretty little. Jus they were due Friday so they were early.

I forget how cold it is in the rest of the world.

yarrow · #43 01/22/14, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

How? What do you give them? And what's the protocol? How long after? Etc?

And the 29th is what I have for Cleo.

Also, Hula still had ligaments the night before.

Your herd is NOT a candidate for induction.. sorry..
the ONLY way one can be comfortable with inducing is when the bucks are NEVER/ever.. not at all in with the does.. here we watch for a doe to come into heat..take out the chosen buck..put the two together in the breeding pen.. stand and watch.. I like him to cover her at least twice.. then buck goes back to fort buckingham.. so each doe has only one possible due date (which we know to the minute).. then we work from that.. you will need a totally different set up to pull of inductions.

as for ligaments... never had a doe kid with them still intact.. never had a doe truly loose their ligaments and NOT kid within a 24 hour window.. what a lot of folks THINK are ligaments really aren't.. it's a learned feel.. takes most people quite a few does to really get the feel and to KNOW what they are feeling for sure.

susie

Doug Hodges · #44 01/22/14, 01:25 PM

I really don't want to induce. I was just curious about how it worked. Yea it would be awful to induce if they had 3 weeks to go because you missed them when they cycled again 21 days later and were bred.

Like I said. I'm doing a lot of different things next year. I have 3 pastures. I just don't use them like that. YET. But my plan is to move my bucks to their own spot so I can decide who breeds who. (I'm hoping for 3 or 4 bucks depending on if I get one from you.) I did that this year also until everyone was bred. I had the bucks in a separate place but ran them together once everyone had bred in case someone cycled again. If you remember I used the CIDR and had the bucks in a pen.

Right now I'm just happy that I've got two babies that seem to be getting stronger each day and a FF that is doing the same. She sure likes my attention right now. Lol. Likes her head scratched. She comes running when I walk outside.

Thanks for all your help, Susie. I know I've bed a pain in the --- with all the questions I've asked you.

By the way. Accept my friend request from Spotted Nubian on Facebook so I don't have to log out and back in to yak at you as Douglas Hodges.

Doug Hodges · #45 01/22/14, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yarrow

as for ligaments... never had a doe kid with them still intact.. never had a doe truly loose their ligaments and NOT kid within a 24 hour window.. what a lot of folks THINK are ligaments really aren't.. it's a learned feel.. takes most people quite a few does to really get the feel and to KNOW what they are feeling for sure.

susie

I'm trying to learn. It's just she felt just like the rest the day before. I checked everyone that was close. I hadn't been doing that. I may need to get a hands on with someone that knows. More people probably could benefit from that too. AND I've learned a whole lot these past several months and love playing with my goats.

crazy4equines · #46 01/22/14, 03:25 PM

Very cute..miss the big floppy ear goats..

Frosted Mini's · #47 01/22/14, 09:06 PM

I have had several does now that have not lost ligaments or not completely lost them at kidding. Usually yearlings, 1 a 2 year old alpine with a single mini kid. It's very strange, but I do know what I am feeling for as I know what it feels like when they really DO lose them, since most of my does have followed the books. Too bad goats don't read the books.

Doug Hodges · #48 01/22/14, 09:07 PM

Cleo doesn't feel like she has any ligaments I just checked her when I went to massage Hula and give her some vitamin C. She's not due until the 29th.

yarrow · #49 01/22/14, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

Cleo doesn't feel like she has any ligaments I just checked her when I went to massage Hula and give her some vitamin C. She's not due until the 29th.

I bet they are still there... unless you have something serious health wise going on.. no way you'd have two going early.. seriously almost ALL nubians go on day 150.. never had one go on their own before day 148.. never past 151.. and that's HUNDREDS of births.

susie

Frosted Mini's · #50 01/22/14, 10:02 PM

Gee that would be nice. I've had alpines kid day 148 to 155, in my short time with them!

When was the buck introduced to the does? Perhaps Cleo was bred and then you didn't notice the goo on her 'til a few days afterward.

Doug Hodges · #51 01/22/14, 11:57 PM

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Gee that would be nice. I've had alpines kid day 148 to 155, in my short time with them!

When was the buck introduced to the does? Perhaps Cleo was bred and then you didn't notice the goo on her 'til a few days afterward.

You know. I didn't necessarily write things down right when they happened. A few days later, I would ask my wife if she wrote down what I told her. Sometimes I forgot to tell her and then had to figure out what day it was. Now I text immediately so we can go back and look if I forgot to tell her and thought I did. So I could be off on some dates. But probably not on Cleo because it was the day I pulled the CIDR's And put the buck with the does. She didn't have a CIDR. So I probably saw her breed.

I'm probably just not feeling the right thing. I'm going to feel her every day until she kids.

Farmer Jayne · #52 01/23/14, 08:40 AM

I thought Ladybug's ligs were gone. Then, the day before she kidded they were gone. And I thought, "That's what they mean."

coso · #53 01/23/14, 09:42 AM

Always write it down, or you will be arguing with yourself two or three days later. Then you will kicking yourself five months later.

On the ligs. If they are completely gone you will have kids within the next 24 hours. You will learn as you go on that, and your goats will get tired of you running around squeezing there hineys

Doug Hodges · #54 01/24/14, 09:25 AM

Little girl is taking 10 to 16 ozs 4 times a day. Little boy is taking about 8 to 10 each time. He will suck only about 4 to 6. Then I tube the rest. Should I let him get hungry and stop tubing him?????

Frosted Mini's · #55 01/24/14, 02:19 PM

Yes. I would.

Doug Hodges · #56 01/25/14, 10:24 PM

Quick update. Little boy just sucked down 8 ozs. They were running and jumping in the back yard today.