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Remember any movement on the left side could be rumen activity. If she has never been pregnant before and you can feel a firm layer of udder tissue she is pregnant. A virgin doe basically has teats with no "plumbing" underneath. The exception being precocious udder which is extremely rare and occurs in heavy milking lines, which I doubt yours is.
It is really hard to say from the pictures. If you have been checking the condition of her udder and she has RECENTLY gone from ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (as in virgin doe nothing), to feeling something now, she may still have a while to go yet. But if you felt something back when you brought them home a month ago you could be getting close. |
What a good thing to look forward to from your girl! I agree that she sure doesn't look like she is carrying...but we all know that they will fool you every time! Keep us posted!
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yup Felina is due this coming saturday! Her teets started to enlarge, her ligs are really hard to find now, her belly says maybe twins or a large buckling...but her udder is hardly there. When I touch her belly or udder she tightens up so much its hard to tell, and I know her due date!
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Put her up on the stand again today and just watched the show. Her belly (while still very small) jumps and rolls and you can almost see little hooves kicking. My son's got to feel the baby kick. Was pretty fun. Her udder seems smaller though? I don't know if her stomach is just getting bigger and overtaking her udder or if it's actually shrinking. Her milk bag felt looser as well. Kind of like it had been milked out and was empty.
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She almost doubled in size over night! The baby seems to be hanging out on the left side and her whole belly is hard as a rock. Still concerned about the milk bag feeling empty and floppy, but she seems like she might be getting ready to do this! She usually runs and plays the whole way to the house , where the stantion is, but this time she didn't really even want to walk. She pooped twice in the fifty feet or so and she looks very pink and pinched.
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We have not had one develop the udder at the end or after kidding...but we are certainly aware that it does happen! I checked our girls pretty carefully this morning (first ones are due Jan 30, Feb 5, 6 and 7th) They all have udders and the oldest girl due on the 30th has an udder that is really big...the others are in various stages of making their udders. Your girl is a fooler...good thing you were paying attention!
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Doubled in size and hard as a rock...could your girl be bloated? I am not saying she is pregnant but having a doe's belly double in size over night and be rock hard my mind brings up the thought of bloat.
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If it was bloat, would she be belching and passing gas?
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Not always, if they are not you WANT them belching and passing gas because that means the danger of bloat is going down. I had a doe bloat BAD last year within a few days of her due date. I had to force her to get up and after drenching her with oil and baking soda I forced her to walk around for an hour until she started farting and belching to get rid of the gas.
I am not saying your girl is bloating but going off what you wrote I am leaning towards that. Is she acting lethargic at all? Justine |
She's passing gas and pooping much more than normal. She's belching about the same as any goat. She's not lethargic, but not feeling as active. Like it hurts to jump around.
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Sounds like she might have a mild case of bloat, I would put out some baking soda for her to snack on. Keep an eye on her belly and her attitude, if she starts getting tighter in the belly or lethargic you will want to get some baking soda and oil down her stomach probably pretty quick.
I wish I could visually see her to asses if she really did have a mild case of bloat but my gut says that is what is going on. I would try walking her around and rubbing her belly to see if you can't help her start passing the gas faster. Justine |
I gave her about 1/4 c baking soda and she ate it all. Belching like crazy. Still acts like she's in labor. She's holding her tail straight out from her body but arched (If that makes sense?) She's nickering softly instead of screaming her head off like she usually does. She's getting agitated by the dogs that share the shed. She has been around them for a month now and usually ignores them. The hound dog is actually trying to get into her pen with her (he loves babies) and she doesn't like that idea at all.
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Some goats do have a soft "talk" that they do for the kids and some of them start when they are in labor. How is the tail head? It sounds like she may be in labor to me too. Is she digging/nesting at all?
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This is about as good as I can do in the dark.
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Hmmmm it looks like she could be getting close :). I am glad she ate the baking soda, it will help if she is bloated or just has an upset tummy. Can you try getting a picture of her tail head at her level profile wise? So it would be her standing with her flank to you and you down at her level taking the photo.
I hope we will be seeing baby pictures soon :). Justine |
I hope some of these will work, she was not in a cooperating mood.
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It does look like she is getting closer. I wouldn't say she is going to have them in the next hour but she is getting closer if my guess is right :). My does get this hunched look the closer they get to actual labor.
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She's down this morning. She was chewing at her sides and nesting all night. She isn't in any distress, so I left her to it and got my own kids up and ready for school. Once they are gone to school, I will go sit with her to make sure she does ok.
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If you catch it, make sure to take pictures of them being born! Maybe it's just me but I like those pictures more than the kid pictures. LOL
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My boys have asked me to video tape it. You would think watching the dog give birth would have cured them of that, but I guess not, lol. That was a fun conversation.
"MOM! They are coming out of her.....ewwwwww! Is that where all baby animals come out of?" "Yes" "Is that where human babies come out?' "Yes" "Did I........? *shakes head* Don't answer that, I don't want to know." |
How is her bag?
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Tight, but not very big.
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We are all on watch with you (and the boys...lol).
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Aw darn, and I can't watch videos. My dang wifi... grrr! lol
Sounds like she was in early labor last night and has entered the 'second stage' or whatever you want to call it. Also sounds like it should get serious in the next 3 hours. :clap: |
I she talking to her belly in the second picture?
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She's talking to the hound dog behind her, lol. Telling him to back off or she will skewer him with her horns.
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If she goes in heavy labor with her rump against the wall, move her so the kids have some space to come out.
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EEEEEEE!!!!! BABIES!!! Nothing like babies and weddings that make me go all girlie! LOL <3
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close to kidding her bag should become full, and her teats should become strutted and shiny (no wrinkles. this is also how you tell if her bag is full)
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Yes, we had a mama goat lie down while pushing, almost breaking the babies neck, he was delivered right after, and thankfully he squeezed his way through!
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Brought her out into the sunshine to take a few more pics. Tail set and milk bag.
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As of last night, no babies. Will get her on her stand today so I can look her over.
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Her bag looks a bit like my 2 girls that will be second fresheners who are due the 28 of Jan.
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Now that she is acting normal again and being her usual obnoxious goat self, I think she might have been developing a case of bloat like I was told on here. Thanks to the advice, I got some baking soda in her quickly and all of her discomfort was due to that. Her belly is getting really tight and you can feel individual body parts in there so hopefully she either stretches some more or she has her kid(s) soon.
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Her belly is still getting bigger, no doubt now that she's preggo. Have been getting her up on the station every day and messing with her bag to get her ready for milking. Today the kid(s) were way out on her left side and the first thing I thought when I saw her standing up on the fence was "Holy milk bags!" It still isn't really full or tight, but much more so than yesterday. Her teats are starting to face outward rather than down and her hoo ha is getting puffy. I don't think she's going to have them tonight or anything, but I do think it will be sooner rather than later now.
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Just a friendly warning :). Don't be surprised if after she kids she acts up a bit when you try to milk her (especially if you keep the kids on her). In my experience FF does even if I handle their udder before kidding give me a bit of grief after freshening.
I think this partly has to do with their udder being tender and sore and partly because milking causes contractions within the first 24hrs or so. I have also found if I keep the kids on them they are more likely to put up a fuss at being milked. I think it has to do with a natural instinct to only feed their kids (unless they see you are one of their kids). I am so excited she is getting closer! I love this time of the year when everyone's does start kidding out and I get to enjoy their excitement and all the baby photos. Justine |
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Ooh it looks like her belly has dropped some and it seems her ligs are getting much looser :).
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Oh, ligaments look like they're gone! Could be soon, lol
I sure hope she has them soon! |
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