Christmas baby! But need some advice please . . .

dozedotz · #21 12/30/13, 01:15 PM

We watched "Gone With The Wind" over the holidays. If I could be one character in that movie (book) it would be Melley. Just think how grand the world would be if you always helped in exactly the right way, with exactly the right tone!! In this post I was struck by how copperkid3 worked with the kid to help it nurse, tried to see how the kid was learning and later when the kid still needed help was willing to give that help. I think that is a trait that needs acknowledgement because without that trait all the great advice in the world is not going to change the situation much. When someone(s) is as experienced and good as some of our people on this site it might get a little tiresome for them having to repeat and repeat the same good advice...but it is always wonderful to see someone who really cares and is trying. Copperkid3, you made a wise decision to stick with this forum in my opinion. Whatever kind of package surrounds the advice...even if it seems a little cool sometimes (or perhaps too hot! lol) It is great advice!!

Pony · #22 12/30/13, 01:24 PM

What Dozedotz said, except that I'd rather be Scarlett and power through.

dozedotz · #23 12/30/13, 03:55 PM

Pony,

copperkid3 · #24 12/30/13, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mygoat

I suggested considerations with your success and the health of your animals in mind. I hope that my behavior wasn't 'elitist' because Iattempted to help you. In 12 years of raising goats, these similar topics and the mindset that is mostly, "I hope it survives" does get very old especially when there are simple things you could do to not only improve your ease of management, but also improve the health and productivity of your goats. I hope it is a consideration for your future management. I raise goats as livestock, but even from that standpoint I clearly indicated why checking for kids and getting the doeling nursing asap were good management practices for YOU, not just the goats. The learning curve never ends, at least it hasn't for me. I wish you luck with the rest of your kiddings.

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Yours was NOT one of those that I referred to . . . so no worry there.
In everything that I've seen or read that you've done, it was with the
overall attitude of not only what was best for the animal, but to inform
the owner or caretaker, how to do a better job as well. Which is what
we would want in an aspiring vet . . . a true bedside manner in a doc!

BTW: I was gone for a good portion of the day & was concerned that
Noel might need feeding tonight. Went out to check on her and she
came running to greet me (like a good, little bottle baby should) but
didn't sound or act "demanding" like a hungry kid would normally do.
In hefting her up, it appeared she had a full tummy, so I'm assuming
she learned how to operate the milk machine. Which is a major relief.
While I do like the special affection that only a bottle baby seems to give,
it's best all around when that can be shared between the birth mom & me.
That way, she does most of the work, but the kid has co-bonded to me too.

katydidagain · #25 12/31/13, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by copperkid3

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for ANY help or personal opinions from you in the future!

There seems to be an 'elitist' stench & attitude that permeates

this forum on an all too frequent occasion, from a certain number of members.

This is unfortunate and can cause newbies to shy away and others to waste

time & energy in smoothing out ruffled feathers. Fortunately, I'm no longer a

newbie and even more fortunately, I've got friends who have fast fingers when

sending P.M.'s, otherwise there would have been some things said to some that

needed hearing it . . . But that would have been the last you'd be hearing from me.

And I don't need to make my point that way. The bullies know who they are and

public shunning works amazingly well in such cases.

Meant for me? I was merely commenting that a bad divorce should not make innocent animals suffer. And it shouldn't. Been through a bad one myself where I lost much more than you did I know. I have no animals now because even a pet cat doesn't deserve to be a target of MY pain. I still say, and this will be deleted I know, that if you don't want the work of animals then sell or give them away.

CountryCabin · #26 12/31/13, 05:58 PM

Katy, me thinks that he was explaining why he has them..not that he was placing blame.
Nor is he taking his 'lifes' frustration out on the goats...

Katy, you say do not get animals/pets cause you say they don't need to be targeted from your pain, but please try not to take it out on people as well.

Good luck with your healing.

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I read these posts cause I too once thought of getting goats and now I see what's all involved. I want to know the good and the bad that can be expected before entering into anything.
Nothing teaches about any thing better then hearing/reading of things that can go wrong.
How else would one know what's all involved..not just the cuties you see. Life is never all sunshine and roses. Even roses comes with thorns.

Many thanks to those that do come on to give true help.

Copperkid
A perfect name for a Christmas baby indeed! Little Noel

Best wishes for Mom, baby and you.

**Terri** · #27 01/02/14, 11:49 AM

Copperkid3, I am a little concerned that you said you had trouble getting milk out of one teat. Might the doe have mastitis on that side?

Shayanna · #28 01/02/14, 03:41 PM

Noel, BG (birthday girl), Solace ( two pics)

Shayanna · #29 01/02/14, 03:59 PM

And noel with her mommy (Molly) and probable father (Champ).

Shayanna · #30 01/02/14, 04:00 PM

And as payment for pic posting, I demand noel come live with my. :tehe:

Shayanna · #31 01/02/14, 04:07 PM

Darn smart phone. Noel needs to just come live with me.

copperkid3 · #32 01/02/14, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Terri

Copperkid3, I am a little concerned that you said you had trouble getting milk out of one teat. Might the doe have mastitis on that side?

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other, but I was able to get a fair amount out the first night to use to feed with.
However the next day it seemed to be stopped up or plugged and I gave up trying.
Besides I had enough (and a bit more) than was needed to feed Noel then & the
next day as well from the left side.

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Originally Posted by Shayanna

And as payment for pic posting, I demand noel come live with my. :tehe:

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Thank you very much for assisting in the posting of the pics, but your 'price'
is a bit too high. Besides, she's bonded to me and I'm her "momma" once removed!
Went out looking for her today as the weather has turned nasty cold, more snow
and wind with drifting and when I couldn't initially find her in the goataloo (converted
dogaloo house that I'd left her in the night before with the other kids), I called her name
and she answered and came out of the goat condo hollaring for me! Gotta luv a
'former bottle baby'. Picked her up and gave her a hug and she reciprocated with
a goatee kiss on the nose. Handed her off to Molly and she then showed me that
she knew 'exactly' where milk comes from - the left side teat! This little doeling
is plenty smart . . . which is more than I can say for some bucklings we've had in
the past.

Shayanna · #33 01/02/14, 07:36 PM

Okay. You convinced me. She belongs with her mommies. Still willing to post pics though, kid pics are just too irresistible.

LFRJ · #34 01/02/14, 10:02 PM

Wow. Champ is a beaut. Love that rack of horns. What breed is he? Are they?

copperkid3 · #35 01/12/14, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LFRJ

Wow. Champ is a beaut. Love that rack of horns. What breed is he? Are they?

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He was never a bottle baby, but I've handled him enough times over the years
that he's pretty hand-tamed and usually allows me to approach and pet him.
Pretty much a big wuss, but knows how to keep the others in line with that rack.
He's a 100% Boer, but unregistered. His daddy was a black & white Boer, but his mom was a red & white - so he took after her side. He has an all black daughter which was the one I came here last spring about a difficult birth with dead baby.
The rest are a percentage of Boer or Saanan crosses.