Hopefully some easy kidding questions

dozedotz · #21 10/31/13, 12:54 PM

Right side is for kids. Rumen gets what is Left over.
I know we all have had our problems with vets, but I really would be asking your vet if he/she thinks that you are in a selenium deficient area and how much BoSe to administer. Not that there is a right or wrong here...but you should know all opinions before making your decision.

GoldenWood Farm · #22 10/31/13, 12:58 PM

It is 40 cc's total. I do 4 different sites of 10cc's.

trnubian · #23 10/31/13, 01:10 PM

40 cc's total for calcium gluconate. If you can get injectable cmpk from your vet it is safer and works better. But many of us can't so we use the calcium gluconate.

SkeeterBlue · #24 10/31/13, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dozedotz

Right side is for kids. Rumen gets what is Left over.
I know we all have had our problems with vets, but I really would be asking your vet if he/she thinks that you are in a selenium deficient area and how much BoSe to administer. Not that there is a right or wrong here...but you should know all opinions before making your decision.

I did talk with my vet months ago and he gave me some Bo-SE. I could be bugging him with all these questions, but he charges for my time, so I'm being stingy asking here. But also, I trust you guys and your experience.

GoldenWood Farm · #25 10/31/13, 01:32 PM

Hey I have vets that I can talk to but I prefer asking on here because generally I get better advise

. Never feel like you can't ask us something

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Justine

dozedotz · #26 10/31/13, 01:41 PM

Good, SkeeterBlue, you are covering all your bases!! My vet also sells us BoSe with the warning every time that he doesn't think the goats need it! (He has seen all but the youngest girl). He is absolutely convinced that it is a fad that is similar to one in cattle in these here parts a few years ago...We still use it and have not had a problem. BUT, we think about it and take it very seriously on the dosage...only using it on a kid one time as I mentioned. So, as long as you are completely informed and comfortable that is the goal.

SkeeterBlue · #27 10/31/13, 01:56 PM

This is kind of off topic, but is one of the reasons I'm asking all this information now. I have one doe that is huge. She seemed to be in standing heat in August and bred 8/14/13. She seemed to come back into standing heat on 9/29 and was bred again at that time. But... she was also in with our boy when he was just shy of 4 months old, for a few weeks until we got the buck pet established. I didn't worry about it too much because she was just separated from her kids when I purchased her and I didn't think she'd go into heat. I never saw any heat-like behavior from her in June. Is it possible she bred that early (June)?

dozedotz · #28 10/31/13, 02:09 PM

Yes, it is possible. We separate the boys from the girls at no later than 8 weeks. We also have had girls who appear to be coming into heat and are bred and then come back in later..again bred...but deliver on a day that corresponds to the first breeding date.

SkeeterBlue · #29 10/31/13, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dozedotz

Yes, it is possible. We separate the boys from the girls at no later than 8 weeks. We also have had girls who appear to be coming into heat and are bred and then come back in later..again bred...but deliver on a day that corresponds to the first breeding date.

Oh, boy, that makes me nervous. LOL Now I'm going to have to go figure out what the possible breed dates are by when the boy was separated. Mind you, I was out there with them every day, and didn't see Espresso trying to mount anyone or act bucky in the least during that time. But, boy, this doe of mine sure is looking pregnant. At least I know I have a little while even if she bred during that time. She doesn't have soft ligaments and she hasn't bagged up yet. But she is acting a little miserable with her big belly. And strangely, she's gotten a lot friendlier in the past few weeks towards me.

dozedotz · #30 10/31/13, 02:46 PM

They can fool you in so many ways ! I certainly would keep an eye on her for other changes and once you figure out what the different due dates would be, be especially aware 5 days either direction of them. We have a situation right now that is making me wring my hands: our fabulous Jacobs Pride/Bulletcreek dry yearling has NOT to our knowledge been bred....but she has been with the buck since September...all of the other girls in the area where this group is housed have been bred by the buck. So, if we do not see any clear signs by the time we move the buck back to the buck area in January, we will wait one month and then pregnancy test her. If she comes up NOT bred, we will then lute her and put her in with him again in a more private area for just the two of them and see what happens. We are hoping that we just missed the breeding. It certainly is possible...although rare....we observe 99% of them even though we pen breed because we are home and have a small herd. Most of the breeding is pretty obvious with lots of carrying on that leaves little doubt. If your girl was settled in June, you will probably always wonder "how the heck did that happen." But it does!

SkeeterBlue · #31 10/31/13, 04:28 PM

Hubby just told me he saw Espresso breed this doe in mid July. There was one day when we had the henhouse delivered and had to cut the fencing and marry it to the henhouse so the chickens could share the space. The does were moved to the buck pen for that one day. That would have been somewhere around 7/17. So now we have 3 separate breedings witnessed, 7/17, 8/14, and 9/29. Amazing if she was bred in July that she was still standing for him in August and September! I guess when she actually kids we will know what date is here "real" bred date. I'm lucky in that I am a stay at home mom, so I can (and do) check the goats multiple times a day. I'll know when she is showing positive signs of labor.