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Old 10/22/13, 04:52 PM
 
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I have saanens and enough keyholes for my entire herd so that makes a big difference. I wouldnt use keyholes for alpines.
Ahem, my friends saanens fight more than my alpines...
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Old 10/22/13, 06:44 PM
 
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In reply to the queries about my feeder I feel I need to give a little background about myself.

I have raised goats for 30+ years and wasted tons of hay. I have tried every style of hay feeder with the exception of the keyhole, modified them all, reduced the waste somewhat but never with the success I have had with this one. The keyhole feeder is good but I didn't like the goats being blindsided by their herd mates, not to mention the number of keyholes I would have needed.

I don't claim to be the first one to come up with this idea and I'm sure there are others using the same general idea that I use. After all, how hard can it be to feed goats hay?

I attribute the success of this feeder to:

*100% edible high quality hay (reduces the urge to search for that special morsel, dropping everything else)
*2X4 grate eliminates large bites
*the box catches the dropped hay and it is eaten because it's clean and tastes good

We have not tried using lower quality hay so there may be some waste as they search for that special morsel. Goats will be goats and where there's a will there's a way.

There has never been a goat get into the box that we know of, including kids. The 2x4 top rail makes it hard for the kidds to jump inside. I'm sure one will make it inside someday. Someone pooped in it once. We feel she backed up to it when she got up one morning.

The measurements of the feeder will need to fit the breed of goat that you have. Nigerians would have a hard time eating from a feeder made for nubians. We measured from the ground to the base of the shortest does neck which is 19". This is for medium size nubians. If we had made the sides a little shorter the does could have reached to the bottom of the box but the babies could get in and waste the hay. If we put the long side of the top 2x4 rail on the inside of the posts it would make it a little harder to load the box but the does could reach a little further down into the box. Decisions, decisions. What we did works well and my daughter doesn't want anything changed.

The bottom of the box consists of some 1x6's to raise the hay up off the ground for ventilation. She doesn't put a whole bale in it at a time because the does can't reach the bottom. She lets the fines accumulate and that helps keep the hay elevated. I think she puts about a half of a bale in it at a time.

All of the materials were left over from other projects. The posts are 4x4's and 40" long. If I need to put another 2x4 rail above the lower one to keep anyone from jumping in I can. So far that hasn't been an issue.

Inside 2x4 rail measures 22x50". Make this measurement to fit the size of the panel you will be using on the hay. Cut the panel so it will have a solid rod around the perimeter. Burn or file any cuts. A 20x48" panel will fit the above box. The panel I used is a 2x4 horse panel. You can use a 4x4 panel and double it offsetting the squares. The 4x4 panel may work fine as is, we just didn't try it.

I have probably forgotten something so if there are any more questions fire away. I hope at least one person gets some good out of this feeder.

Thanks for helping me get the pictures posted.

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Old 10/22/13, 09:26 PM
 
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Thank you very much for taking the time to lay this out! My husband will not see this until tomorrow and he may have some questions that I don't think to ask because I am an idiot (well, when it comes to building things...I'm actually very good in the kitchen). Just wanted you to know that we are paying attention and do appreciate you doing this. It is a very interesting idea!!
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Old 10/22/13, 10:46 PM
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I'm just not understanding how they eat the hay and reach down into it. Is the grate free floating and it drops down as they pull the hay out?


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Old 10/23/13, 07:42 AM
 
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The 2x4 grate/panel is free floating. We haven't had any trouble with the goats removing the grate. The weight of the grate plus the small opening helps keep the goats from picking up large mouthfuls. It simulates grazing, not gorging. If the goats figure out how to remove the grate I will use a bungee cord at each end and anchor it to the bottom of the box.

These goats have hay available 24/7 so they aren't hurting for food.

The 2x4 rail above the does neck could easily be moved up when there are no babies and lowered when the kidds start trying to get in the box. This will allow more hay to be accessible since the does can reach the bottom. It's put together with screws.
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Ahem, my friends saanens fight more than my alpines...
Maybe so but in generaly I'd avoid keyholes if I had alpines.

That's a great feeder idea by the way.
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Old 10/23/13, 01:50 PM
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Thank you lindamoo. I have to think more on how I can build it but it is the best I have yet seen.
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Old 10/25/13, 11:43 AM
 
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I have been meaning to build a feeder like this for my goats for a while. The pic came out of a pdf plan on Premier1's website. They estimate it to cost about $180 apiece. That includes 4 wire panels (2" x 4" openings, 30" H x 48" L) they sell that are $25 apiece. So if you already had some spare panels or opted to use ones with 4" x 4" openings or even bigger openings like on cattle panels, the price could be as low as $100 per feeder if you used new lumber, maybe cheaper if you have scraps.

I found the link to the plans for anyone interested: http://www.premier1supplies.com/shee...eders-2012.pdf
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Old 10/26/13, 08:23 AM
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We built an fenceline hay feeder using 2x6 for horizontals and for the bottom a left over piece of sheet metal. The goats stick their heads through a wire panel that we cut the horizontal bar out so to make it easier for goats of all sizes to eat through. There is little or no waste with these feeders. You can see it on face book in our picture gallery.

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Old 10/26/13, 05:27 PM
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I got impatient and bought this.
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