I'm Going to Lose My Kids... Mystery Illness

Squeaky McMurdo · #41 07/03/13, 03:34 PM

So sorry about little Picasso. He may be a hero though since his death allowed you to find out what's going on with everyone else.

**mygoat** · #42 07/03/13, 03:45 PM

Hope they get better... the unexplained vomiting still has me worried though. Maybe it's a side effect of muscle weakness...?

I'd use a loose mineral with plenty of selenium and use BoSe injections at least 2x per year. We use it about a 2 weeks to a month pre-breeding and a month pre-kidding.

kasilofhome · #43 07/03/13, 03:53 PM

I have crushed thiame and added vit e then added baking soda and used cocconut butter --cocconut butter when warm in soft but I could shape it and form it into a dose --freeze it and get it into the goat. I had a baby (one of five in a birthing--dang that doe she often does five kids) well they were outside and all was well -- but a knock at my door and my neighbor was there holding a screaming kid unable to move--it happened suddenly --on a sunday and I could only raid our personal vits.

I search for info. made up the "pill" and gave it twice a day --as noted the amount of the does came for reading on the net and the bottles of vits I had.

In 48 hour the goat was up and running all well. Honestly I felt that during the first 24 hours that maybe putting down the screaming parallized kid might be kinder. But I did it to learn --to find out if in the future It might happen when we needed a goat to live--

harvestmoonfarm · #44 07/03/13, 04:30 PM

On top of everything else, the fecal also came back positive for cocci. My vet did say their stomachs were probably unable to process food (due to cocci), which may have led to it all coming back up. The signs of WMD were definitely there - they would suddenly go stiff and be unable to stand, and would scream out in pain. Might also explain what happened to the yearling I lost, though the other vet (who has since retired) just didn't pick up on it.

**mygoat** · #45 07/03/13, 05:45 PM

Stomachs would be unaffected by cocci - that's in the intestine.

Were they on prevention/treatment for cocci? How many is the issue - There will always likely be some cocci in a fecal if not immediately after a treatment/prevention round.

harvestmoonfarm · #46 07/03/13, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mygoat

Stomachs would be unaffected by cocci - that's in the intestine.

Were they on prevention/treatment for cocci? How many is the issue - There will always likely be some cocci in a fecal if not immediately after a treatment/prevention round.

My vet said their stomachs could have been affected, and I do trust this vet. She's not sure - she admitted that - but said it was a possibility, and that there are many things compounding one another. She said the cocci count was high and recommended treatment.

Cannon_Farms · #47 07/03/13, 06:21 PM

there are some worms that can cause the stomach to become upset but coccidia has never been a source of puking here. Bad hay, toxic weeds and the goat that chose to drink motor oil is about all the experience I have with puking goats.

**mygoat** · #48 07/03/13, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by harvestmoonfarm

My vet said their stomachs could have been affected, and I do trust this vet. She's not sure - she admitted that - but said it was a possibility, and that there are many things compounding one another. She said the cocci count was high and recommended treatment.

Everything I've ever seen anywhere always says intestinal mucosa. Never a reference to a stomach infection. Heck, most species of coccidia are specific to a particular REGION of the intestine. I suppose oocytes could be found in the rumen simply because they are ingested... but INFECTION, from everything I've ever read on multiple species - is definitely in a region of the intestine.

If anybody finds any countering evidence, I'd be fascinated to see it... but I can't find any. I really really really don't think cocci are causing the vomiting.

harvestmoonfarm · #49 07/03/13, 10:54 PM

As I said, my vet wasn't positive - just said it was a possibility when I asked. I give up - it's too hard trying to explain things through writing on the Web. I'm tired, stressed beyond measure and just can't deal with too much more of this... <sigh>

Cygnet · #50 07/03/13, 11:00 PM

I'm sorry you lost the wether.

Got any neighbors who might be feeding them behind your back?

I had a neighbor who (grrr!) was bringing home large bags of old bread from her job somewhere -- think, black garbage bag size -- and dumping them over the fence to my goats. Lost a goat to goat polio and had it tested for rabies (symptoms were similar) before I caught her at it.

harvestmoonfarm · #51 07/03/13, 11:24 PM

Just had an adult start vomiting tonight, so our field is narrowing as to what's causing it - pretty sure it's the hay, but the only way to find out is to find some new stuff to feed them, and that's turning out to be more difficult than it should be. This is beyond maddening at this point!

kasilofhome · #52 07/04/13, 05:32 AM

I am really sorry--It is clear that you are really trying and you so care --it just sucks.

Alice In TX/MO · #53 07/04/13, 06:23 AM

I was wondering about the hay. Emily (Ozark Jewels) lost a number of goats to aflatoxin in hay.

Backfourty,MI. · #54 07/04/13, 08:30 AM

Definitely get some different hay & have your hay you've been feeding them tested.
I am so sorry your going through this & lost your little wether, he was a cutie.

Emily(Ozark Jewels) posted about her hay & the aflatoxin Alice is talking about & it was really bad for her. Please get your hay tested.

Cannon_Farms · #55 07/04/13, 03:08 PM

Mygoat, thinking on this in the truck and not having time to dig in but have you ever seen or researched Giardia ? Im thinking it can look similar to coccidia if I remember correctly but can cause vomiting in dog/cat I have no clue with goats but was something I dealt with in dogs 15 years ago.