Giving away goat with CL - any takers?

I will close my comments with yes, if she doesnt have a problem with CL then it seems like an ideal situation for the goat to become her own as you can see it bothers the vast majority of people who have went above and beyond to learn about Cl.
As far as a vets education on the mater, they know what it is, know the cause and how to treat but some become sloppy and careless as they become desensitized and loose sense of good hygiene.
The time spent on farm type animals is no where near the time spent on treating dogs and cats, in fact its become an ever shrinking course past mandatory at most colleges, for one simple reason there is more money and a lot less danger in dogs and cats than there is horses and bulls.
I actually took the time to talk with my state vet and personal vet and both are of the opinion that its a seriously under rated disease that is chronic in meat herds. Any animal displaying symptoms at auction must be sold as a terminal animal. No health certificates can be issued for goats with suspected CL and they will record you if they find out you have it on your farm. Just two years ago a whole sale barn was shut down one a herd of positive animals went through and was sold as non terminal so yes its a big deal. They are working on tougher restrictions.
With all the stink us common stupid folks are raising about it along with the amount of loss in the meat industry (hence vaccines for both species) vets that have the no big deal opinions will probably have a slightly different opinion. on another token if you pts some ones flock because of CL then you have just ending a productive client.

No one whom has respect for anyone elses livestock is going to keep an infectious animal around to contaminate the whole area, just as you wouldnt keep a horse with a positive coggins test alive to just get sicker and infect all the animals within hundreds of miles, flys can transmit Cl.
My opinions on CL are bases solely on papers written by specialist such as Vets and biologist it just so happens to coincide with those who are more careful with their goats and take a heightened responsibility of care and husbandry.

After all a medical practice isnt called practice without reason, all you can know is what you care to learn. So yes Im slightly irritated that I have done tons of LEGIT research and read as many papers and talked with State vets, my personal vet (livestock specialist) talked with the teaching vets at UGA whom all share the opinion its a commonly underestimated issue, most just treat as a boil without thinking of cl.
And if none of that matters to you cant argue with its just plain nasty to deal with even if it wasnt infectious, its chronic so its not a one time and its done thing. Some one who easily dismisses this are probably the same time to easily dismiss cold sores as no big deal.

Just because some one doesnt have a degree doesnt make them an ignorant hick,

I wanted to let everyone know this goat was put down and buried in a deep hole with lots of lime over a week ago. The baby is doing well with some extra TLC to make sure she gets enough feed. I have to pen her during feeding so the other goats don't butt her out of the way and take the food. The mother had no external abscesses rupture during this time and I am hoping the baby will do ok and not be CL positive. Either way, I wanted to let everyone know this goat is now out of circulation where it could infect others.

Sad that it had to come to that ...but it is for the best...

Best of luck and best wishes for you and all of your goats!!

I'm so very sorry for your loss

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There is a disease in cattle that is similarly dangerous called "bangs" (brucellosis). When I was young and they were just discovering how dangerous it was, a friend of the family, who was the manager of a large feeder calf operation caught the disease. He recovered,but was never "healthy" again.

Because of a national effort, and continued vaccination, the disease has almost been eradicated. Saying that the disease is "always around anyway and we can't get rid of it" is simply an excuse to not do what is needed. It cost some cattle people with large herds their life's earnings to eliminate infected cattle, yet it was done.

I know the cost of an animal is dear to many people, but compared to what some cattle people had to go though to conquer this disease, it appears a pretty selfish argument for some goat people to use for losing a goat or two. Because of those farmers sacrifice, it has eliminated a lot of other heartache and hardship over the past 30 years. While the vaccination is still required, the disease is now almost non existent in the US.

cwatkin -

I'm very sorry and hope you find peace. Find solace by remembering her everyday you spend time with your healthy goats. Your decision and sacrifice may have saved their lives. I'm sure you'll still worry about any chances the baby may have contracted it. But I'm sure you'll rest easier without an ongoing Russian Roulette in you herd.

I am truly sorry for the loss of your doe. It is never an easy decision but it is the right decision. I am sincerely hoping that all your other goats are negative.

I test for CAE, CL, and Johnes twice a yr. I buy (rarely) only from negative herds that I trust. Am I a bit paranoid? Absolutely! Because I like others would euthanize my entire herd if a single goat came up positive for CL. Hugs to you I know what it feels like to lose someone.

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I only read through the first page of this thread, so I apologize if this has already been covered. It is my understanding that once you vaccinate for CL, the animals will then always test positive for it. Did you test your other animals to see if they are not carrying CL before you vaccinated? That would be a concern for me.

Count me as one of those people who is afraid of CL. I have a small dairy herd and we drink our goats' milk. I would NOT give my family milk from a goat that might be carrying CL. If I was not VERY sure about the other animals, I'd get rid of them all.

First of all Vets are not perfect and they are not experts at everything. They make mistakes and they are human. That said 9 times out of 10 I will trust someone with years of hands on experience over someone who went to medical school.

Years ago I owned an exotic bird store, I had one baby birds die and I sent them in for necropsies to WADDLE. The live babies I took to WSU and was told they had no clue what was killing my babies. They did all kinds of tests and came up blank. I finally decided to personally test the remaining babies for polyoma virus. They came back positive! I had to cull the infected birds and test every remaining bird in my store. It was a nightmare but it was the responsible thing to do.

We are stewards to the animals and of the earth. We need to make hard choices to do the right thing for the greater good of all the animals. CL could be eradicated but the relaxed attitude of many goat owners are the reason it won't be anytime soon. Yes it's a loss financially to cull but the benefits far out weigh
The financial short term costs.

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Almost afraid to respond to this thread, !!!! DRRAAAAAMMMMMAAA LOL
However the filter God gave my mouth has always been defective. I know in the past I have recieved alot of helpful, appreciated, and true advice from many of the ladies on here. I come here first when I have an issue!!! (Im a newbie goat owner/breeder *2 years) I trust them.
If im leary of the advice, theres always someone else that usually backs it up or gives me an alternative.
If im still leary and have never been, say... elbow deep in "goat hoo-haw" I can always call a vet. Get a third opinion. (( However, some crazy lady on a goat forum said "look chic, Call me, i have never met you before stranger, but call me and i will sit on the phone with day or night while you blindly explain to me what you feel, and then I will tell you how to save triplets lives.))

I read through this thread, maybe out of sheer boredom, or maybe because what women isnt drawn to a soap opera, But about the second page, I started to feel real bad for Meka, She had an opinion. Thats fine. Shes allowed. But I kinda felt like all the others who thought the opposite of her, were trying desperately to sway the vote of anyone who may have thought differently. Then she became even more defensive, and then the others kinda got together in an invisible cyber squad and it just didnt look so good as someone from the outside. Ya know?

Not everything on here is gossip, not everything is correct either. And certainly each person is entitled to their OWN opinion. I know from my personal experience that all the advice I have recieved has been an immense blessing, and all correct i might ad.

But seriously people, Lets be the kind hearted loving people, Just the way God created us. We are all on this forum for the same thing!!!
LOVE OF OUR GOATS!!!

Then why are you dredging it up again?

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Your sheer boredom ..... thanks for the post

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Because I have a lot of respect for many of the women on this sight, and know that your hearts are huge. Especially when it comes to the animals we love.
I was trying to point out that all the info I have recieved has been true and helpful, and that most of you know what your talking about. Also to state that we are allowed a difference of opinion. And i didnt know there was a time limit on thread responses. I dont think pepole should be at odds on here though. We are all here for the same thing, And through your patience, and that of the more seasoned owners, some of us "newbies" could learn alot.
Anyways, I was deliriously tired when posting, Have a goat ready to kid. First freshening, and ive been watching her like a hawk for 3 days.

Hope you havent taken offense to my comments:-)

GodBless

If I do take offense, it's my own business. For heaven's sake, let's not worry about offending anyone - truly.

BUT we should take great pains, when presenting our viewpoint, to make sure that we are not belittling others' efforts to protect their herds, nor dismiss their experience because they aren't lettered experts. And THAT is what the kerfuffle was about.

Hope all goes well with your gal, and that we see pics of lovely doelings out of her.

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