Birthing 911

Ford Zoo · #21 03/06/13, 11:58 AM

Great job and great post! Hope your doe goes onto give you many healthy doelings! You are so lucky to have an available vet too!.

Oat Bucket Farm · #22 03/06/13, 12:42 PM

Great job handling the situation and great job to those on the forum able to help you! So glad she is okay, even if she is holding a grudge right now.

Frosted Mini's · #23 03/06/13, 02:36 PM

Something I just learned, is that they can actually die of hypothermia from a prolapse, because of all the blood vessels of the uterus, and it is cold outside the body! So, keeping it warm is a good thing to do while waiting on a vet as well. A gal that is on here, Tracy in Idaho, has a doe that prolapsed 2 years ago after a 15 lb single buckling (!), and had quads this year, so it is possible to have kids in the future.

jaredI · #24 03/06/13, 02:44 PM

It's been my experience (with cattle anyways) that her female offspring are apt to be more prone to prolapse as well. I would be looking at culling her and any of her offspring. IMO the potential trouble isn't worth the time, effort, and money.

Bearfootfarm · #25 03/06/13, 03:30 PM

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It's been my experience (with cattle anyways) that her female offspring are apt to be more prone to prolapse as well.

I've heard that same thing about most species.
I'd cull also, or at least not rebreed.

With the potential cost of the Vet bill, and the STRESS, it's really not worth the risk

remotealaska · #26 03/06/13, 05:24 PM

Glad that everything turned out ok! This may sound like a stupid question but were do they stitch? is it internal or external?

dbarjacres · #27 03/06/13, 06:37 PM

OH MY! Good thoughts sent your way! And those things always happen in the middle of the night, but actually, I've found it's easier to reach the vet at that time, vs calling and finding out every vet between three clinics is out on farm calls or other emergencies during normal hours.

Again, good thoughts....

Lazydaisy67 · #28 03/06/13, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jaredI

It's been my experience (with cattle anyways) that her female offspring are apt to be more prone to prolapse as well. I would be looking at culling her and any of her offspring. IMO the potential trouble isn't worth the time, effort, and money.

This is absolutely heartbreaking to me!!! She's SUCH a good mom, milker, all around goat! What about the buck? Will there be some sort of genetic trait that he would pass on to does in the future? The vet said she does see it in cows, but not so much in goats, that it happens in future pregnancies.

I only have 4 adult goats, two does and two bucks so I don't have lots of choices here. I need the milk!!! We have them strictly so the children can drink fresh milk.

Isn't it just Murphy's law that something would happen to your favorite/best goat???

Otter · #29 03/06/13, 09:38 PM

I wouldn't cull.

For one thing, goats are NOT cows. And for another, there are different kinds of prolapse.
Sheep are prone to a kind of prolapse where everything just bulges out, over and over again, and she needs a prolapse harness or stitched up to hold her together until she lambs.
Goats are not sheep either, and this was not that kind of prolapse.

Cows and horses tend to prolapse because of internal damage or defect, and they are often culled or never bred again because of it.
This was not that kind of prolapse either.

When goat prolapses, it is often because they have a huge single in there, and their bodies are not meant to handle single births of large offspring. It was this kind of prolapse.
I've known both horses and cows to also prolapse with a difficult delivery of a huge baby, and they go on to be fine most of the time, having other babies, so long as they are never again bred to a male who will throw such a big baby.
This kind of prolapse is the least likely to reoccur. If I was really worried about it re-occurring, I'd have her ultrasounded to make sure she wasn't carrying another single. But know that this kind of prolapse is not hugely likely to reoccur, and that I have personally met goats who had this happen and have gone on to be mothers many times over without a hitch.
One thing that helps, is, as another poster mentioned, to be sure it was put back right. The vet should have filled her up with fluid and let the weight of the fluid move everything back into place. If she didn't, ask her about it.

Alice In TX/MO · #30 03/06/13, 10:00 PM

Just so everyone knows, the placenta has buttons on it like meaty/liver spots, too. I'll see if I can find my picture.

Birthing 911 - Goats

Pony · #31 03/07/13, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

I wouldn't cull.

For one thing, goats are NOT cows. And for another, there are different kinds of prolapse.
Sheep are prone to a kind of prolapse where everything just bulges out, over and over again, and she needs a prolapse harness or stitched up to hold her together until she lambs.
Goats are not sheep either, and this was not that kind of prolapse.

Cows and horses tend to prolapse because of internal damage or defect, and they are often culled or never bred again because of it.
This was not that kind of prolapse either.

When goat prolapses, it is often because they have a huge single in there, and their bodies are not meant to handle single births of large offspring. It was this kind of prolapse.
I've known both horses and cows to also prolapse with a difficult delivery of a huge baby, and they go on to be fine most of the time, having other babies, so long as they are never again bred to a male who will throw such a big baby.
This kind of prolapse is the least likely to reoccur. If I was really worried about it re-occurring, I'd have her ultrasounded to make sure she wasn't carrying another single. But know that this kind of prolapse is not hugely likely to reoccur, and that I have personally met goats who had this happen and have gone on to be mothers many times over without a hitch.
One thing that helps, is, as another poster mentioned, to be sure it was put back right. The vet should have filled her up with fluid and let the weight of the fluid move everything back into place. If she didn't, ask her about it.

Yeah. What Otter said.

So glad you handled the crisis so well, and that CJ, Otter, and Sherry were here to help. (Also like the rum prescription, MyHeaven!)

Alice, thanks for the pic of placenta! Tres kewl.

Sherry in Iowa · #32 03/07/13, 07:55 AM

How's your girl this morning?

Lazydaisy67 · #33 03/07/13, 08:14 AM

She seems just fine. All looks good down there, no discharge that doesn't look normal, eating normally, drinking, peeing, pooping.
Baby is nursing perfectly, peeing, pooping. I don't see any signs that anything went wrong, but am just eyeballing her pretty closely.

Vet did not fill her uterus with water or anything and she didn't go up in there to stitch it into place either. She said the uterus is incredibly tough and can put up with (clearly) lots of banging around and still be just fine. I guess I believed her so didn't know to ask her about stitching it inside.

Sherry in Iowa · #34 03/07/13, 09:52 AM

Sounds like everything is going well! I am so happy for ya. As far as your doe goes..hey, you're doing great with her. Watch carefully for infection and hopefully she will be good to go again next year. If she heals up nicely..I don't think I'd be afraid to try her again..but that's just me.

Hope you and the goaties have a great day!