Non-GMO Alfalfa pellets

Evangelizing? Are you serious? I came here to mention that oil has no protein in it, therefore no genetically modified material, so people can breathe easier, and not worry about the various oils from gm crops. Evangelizing would be telling people what they should be doing. I am simply telling a fact.

Thank you for the link, I do appreciate it!

In a human, there is a DNA strand in every cell of the body. If you squeeze the oil out of me, the cells in the oil will still contain my DNA.

Is it different in a plant? I do not know.

If you take a GMO seed and grow a plant from it, is the DNA of the whole plant not changed? Would every cell of that plant not carry the modified DNA strand?

Several of the post refer to no protiens in the extracted oil. Do the oil cells not carry the DNA strand of the plant in its cells?


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I'm curious about that too Spike and for the same reason. It would certainly help to understand that part better if there were good sites that explained it fully.

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There is simply no protein in oil from canola seed. The genes that monsanto, bayer, and others perfected and spliced, is a protein. There is not any protein in the oil.

Try this link:

http://www.canolacouncil.org/oil-and...yths-debunked/

And this:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/canola-oil/AN01281

And this:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp

Yes, its a protein they splice into it, but once spliced in, it becomes part of the DNA chain and DNA is in every part of the organism, even the oils.

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I take it then you did not look at the links? A person asks for links, and then refuses to read them. That was a productive use of my time....

What you are saying is false, which is too bad, because you have people liking a post that is a lie. This is what is unfortunate in my mind.

Personally I would never trust anything the Canola counsel says. They're function is to promote a product, they sure is heck are going to say anything bad about it.

The Mayo clinic isn't going to go against the FDA which we know is in bed with Monsanto.

http://www.topclassactions.com/lawsu...ction-lawsuit-

Regardless this thread is about Alfalfa pellets. Many of us do not want to use GMO Alfalfa. It will be hitting the fields soon and cross pollination IS an issue. So lets stick to the issue at hand please.

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I happened to think of something about this topic and how goat farmers should be the very last to be concerned about GMO alfalfa. The gene which resulted in making an RR plant came from another plant. Goats are known to eat just about any species of plant on this planet. If they can eat the gene which exists in one plant, what's wrong with them eating the same gene in another plant?

Martin

I can tell you from my perspective, probably not...

I live here. I ventured over to the cattle forum researching breeds about a year ago and was startled my the tone and lack of caring and quickly slinked back over here where it was safe.

If they are bashing goats over there or in poultry or wherever...I wouldn't even know it. I don't have time to search the whole forum for "buzz" words or know, literally, anyone over there that is going to say squat about it here or by PM.

A question...
If GMOs are what you say, then why have the governments of whole continents banned them? Worldwide, I don't think "we" are the minority.

I, personally, have to question your motives. Where I am sitting, I am concerned about the long-term health of my family, animals and food supply (for both). As a professional farmer, it would appear that you have a financial interest in the success of GMOs. I believe you said (pardon me if I am wrong) that it is difficult to make a profit using "conventional" farming.

When I chose to "accept" information from any venue, I have to question what the "offerer" has to gain. Monsanto is huge and it is obvious that they are motivated by money. You, by your own admission, are part of the industry. We, here on this side of the fence/forum, are consumers. What do the people that produced the video (on the other thread) have to gain?

I feel for the merchants that are on the front lines. I have mentioned GMO to them and got the blank stare. We are not educated about choices in this country and, really, not given any, because the producers are not made to label these products. Our only hope is to by "organic" to make sure that they are non-GMO and even that is a temporary thing, for in a couple of years, those plants will be polluted too.

If you want non-GMO alfalfa seed, buy organic. I haven't been able to buy it for months through our food co-op.

I hope we have a wonderful day here....

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The past is valuable as a guidepost, but not so if used as a hitching post.

I would compare the oils derived from plants/seeds to the water that is in our own bodies, yes it is in every cell but if you squeeze it all out it is just H2O no human DNA. It's a crude example the same principle, your DNA does not exist in every molecule of your body.

Below is an excerpt on oils.
There is a lot of info as well as links to research/studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food

Highly processed derivatives containing little to no DNA or protein
[edit]Lecithin


An example of a phosphatidylcholine, a type of phospholipid in lecithin. Red - choline and phosphate group; Black - glycerol; Green - unsaturated fatty acid; Blue - saturated fatty acid
Corn oil and soy oil, already free of protein and DNA, are sources of lecithin, which is widely used in processed food as an emulsifier.[29][30] Lecithin is highly processed. Therefore, GM protein or DNA from the original GM crop from which it is derived is often undetectable - in other words, it is not substantially different from lecithin derived from non-GM crops.[11][31] Nonetheless, consumer concerns about genetically modified food have extended to highly purified derivatives from GM food, like lecithin.[32] This concern led to policy and regulatory changes in Europe in 2000, when Regulation (EC) 50/2000 was passed[33] which required labelling of food containing additives derived from GMOs, including lecithin. Because it is nearly impossible to detect the origin of derivatives like lecithin, the European regulations require those who wish to sell lecithin in Europe to use a meticulous system of Identity preservation (IP). [31][34]
[edit]Vegetable oil
Most vegetable oil used in the US is produced from several crops, including the GM crops canola,[35] corn,[29][36] cotton,[37] and soybeans.[38] Vegetable oil is sold directly to consumers as cooking oil, shortening, and margarine,[39] and is used in prepared foods.
There is no, or a vanishingly small amount of, protein or DNA from the original GM crop in vegetable oil.[11][40] Vegetable oil is made of triglycerides extracted from plants or seeds and then refined, and may be further processed via hydrogenation to turn liquid oils into solids. The refining process[41] removes all, or nearly all non-triglyceride ingredients.[42]

There is also info on sugars and other products with link to actual research if you care to read that also.

I am pretty sure that something has to be used to bind those pellets together. Sadly, there are things that do not have to be listed on the label - spices, carrier oils in vaccines, and quite possibly animal feed. I would just double check by contacting Standlee if you are trying to avoid GMOs and/or soy. I used to use Standlee but switched to Chaffehye for now. (The concern for unlisted ingredients came from a conversation with a woman at a feed store-I didn't dream this up.)

According to Standlee's FAQ page there are no binders used

http://www.standleehay.com/FAQ.aspx

I also looked up the other brands available in my area and ALL reported no binders being used. I really think with this being such touchy subject that before condemning a product that we do the research and provide the info to back it up!

Some great questions you raise there. I would prefer though, in light of the mood, and my concern to seriously hijack this thread, and turn y'all against me, to maybe not answer point for point in this forum. IF I get a chance, I would be as happy to pm you a few points later tonight. So as not to steal the heart of this thread away.

If you wish. If you don't really desire a pm, I understand that too. Take care,

Dale

Good to know about Standlee. Checking out the ingredients is best-and better safe than sorry. There is so much crap in our food and even more in what we feed our livestock it's best to question everything, IMO.

I would *guess* that companies that say that they are not using binders .. especially the ones that are GMO free..are NOT using them. They probably are using a really high compression machine to pelletize them.

Not all alfalfa pellets are equal. Some probably do use binders, or added ingredients. It's just that a couple of these companies are basing their sales to customers by offering a pretty pure product..ie..gmo free, etc.

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FordZoo the calcium content of Timothy is .43-.45% depending on time of year.
Alfalfa is 1.08%
I just give my girls a Tums for extra calcium and they think it's a treat.

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According to Farmers Weekly, GMO isn't producing the crops like they want. Not sure what kind of source Famers Weekly is but it doesn't appear to be a raging anti-GMO site or anything like that. Just news about farming and livestock and farm equipment for sale.

http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/06/02/...bal-yields.htm

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