I didn't get to see the video, since I have satellite and when I looked at that hour and a half, I thought, "Do I want to see this, or be able to listen to music for the rest of the month?"

However, I pretty much agree with everything you have stated except the above. In truth, the Naurunese are the fattest population in the world. The United States actually ranks 9th in obesity.

Now, if you wish to say we're the most obese population in the *developed* world, then you would be correct.

You are correct California failed to pass the labeling law. But why was that? It's because the companies that don't want you to know what you're eating launched multi million dollar ad campaigns against it and told everyone their grocery prices would go up. Which is false.

You are welcome to eat all the GMOs you want, for me and my family we wold rather not. Ya know when my grandma was young the tobacco companies claimed that smoking was good for you. They failed to release the studies proving that smoking was hazardous to your health. It took decades before the truth came out. But people made a choice to smoke or not. We don't have a choice to eat. But we should have a choice to know what we are eating. Why should I be forced to eat something that was invented in a lab? Even raising my own animals for meat and eggs doesn't help because they're eating it.
If GMOs aren't bad for you then why the heck won't they just label it? Because the companies know something we don't know, that's why. Why do the companies hire the scientists to run the studies and then when the scientists realize that something is terribly wrong they get told 'shut up or you're fired'?

Anyone can be a guinea pig if they so choose. I do not want my family or my animals to be guinea pigs however.

This discussion is beginning to drift like GMO threads often do. I dont want to see it fall off the cliff.

This just a reminder that this is the Goat Forum and comments should stay relevant to how GMO's effect how we care for our goats.

Alrighty then..back to the goats.

I am feeding the milk girl whole oats and sunflower seeds. She gets 24/7 access to non GMO alfalfa hay. Water and loose minerals are in front of her too. Her milk tastes great..she is still giving me a quart and a half of milk every morning.

The other girl that is with her is prego..she is off grain now, but has everything else that the milker has.

What would you all do different? I'm up for suggestions.

That's how I feed my girls too, except that I also give the Replamin Plus gel.

Hey momma..do you give the Replamin and the loose minerals both? Thanks!

That is what I am feeding too...along with good grass hay. but the oats and boss are a very small amount as a treat since my goats are pets only. I do have Standlee alfalfa pellets though and I am concerned about feeding that to the goats. Right now they are not getting it because I have this beautiful organic alfalfa hay on hand...but with the drought that might not always be available. The alfalfa is used in small amounts as treat only also. My horses are getting the pellets because the bales are too rich for them. :)

Yes. I have been giving the Replamin since September, but still have the Right Now Onyx out for them. They've been going through it a lot faster than normal the last few weeks. Three of the four girls are bred, so I figure they need more minerals right now. I have had goats since March of 2011 and I have about 1/4 of a bag left...this is only the second bag, so they really don't eat a lot of it.

Yes he was. He made a bid for the democrat party nomination in the 2008 election.

Gmo crops are an important and controversial subject. It is very important have discussion about this issue.

I think people here are very capable of doing their own research and coming to their own conclusions.

Actually that is what we will be doing as soon as our girls get back as well. As far as mineral, we plan to offer both in the winter when a lot of members have mentioned their goats have craved more and then just Replamin in the warmer months.

Someone mentioned linseed in another thread. I will be feeding linseed to my chickens, but I'm not sure if I would need to feed it to my goats with what they will already be getting.

Here's a guide that could help you avoid GMOs. Notice the wiggle room in the "organic" labeling.

http://mamanatural.com/how-to-avoid-gmos/#more-3687

After you know all that you do now, going to the grocery store will leave you feeling defeated. The good news is, you really can make most all of the processed food on the shelves at home or learn to live without it. I can spend an hour in the store wandering the aisles and leave with a buggy full of bulk items (nuts, grains) and vegetables and a head full of ideas on things to recreate from scratch. Yes-it takes lots of time but I am blessed to be able to stay home and prepare most of our food. Everything from granola to protein bars, to sauces and homemade Pop Tarts from jellies I've canned .... stuff to keep my 1st grader from feeling like at outcast. ;)
Look for local buying groups and co-ops in your area; we have a local organic produce distributor that sells to the public and while it doesn't save a ton of money I can buy in bulk and preserve a lot of stuff that is off season. I've also been able to buy some almost out of date things like 40# of bananas, apples and potatoes that were too far gone to ship to a store but prefect for me to can or freeze.

For the livestock I've ordered and plan to rotate the pastures with an herbal ley from Countryside Organics. It will come back each year but I was told to sow it with annual rye for my cows. I have a wooded lots behind the house for the goats so they will browse there come spring but instead of cutting hay I plan to plant this herbal ley on every extra bit of grassy space we have. If there isn't a garden planted then this is going down and will not be cut. I have no use for a lawn, much to SO's shugrin. ;)

I just read in the Baker Seed catalog that it is getting very hard to find any corn that is not tainted with GMOs, so from now on corn is just no longer in the diet for humans or animals around here. I won't even bother planting it again ... we will just live without it as we do soybeans and sugar from beets.

It's a shame what we have to deal with to try to stay healthy but it is apparently the price we must pay for the sins of the past 2-3 generations. This is what happens when you hand over control of your food supply to evil - and spend more time focusing on American Idol and material possessions.

What about the GMO article on pages 14 and 15?
GMOs Is the end near? (reprint from Heirloom Garden Magazine)

It's a good read if you have their catalog.

SPIKE

Yep, we just don't feed corn, soy, cottonseed, or anything from sugar beets here to animals or family. There are so many grains that are more nutritious than corn any way, that it isn't a big deal. And we have always avoided feeding or eating soy.

As far as vegetable oils, we have been avoiding those before we knew about GMO's. We stick with oils that are either rendered from animals or can be pressed from plants. The fact that most vegetable oils can't simply be pressed and must instead go through heavy processing turned us off. I prefer a more natural food source. Anything that requires a lab and lots or processing to make it into a food-like source, is not natural.

Things like Crisco weren't even originally made to be food. Persuasive marketing was used in 1911 to convince people it was better than butter or lard.

Anybody that uses Crisco should research it and rethink.
And have you ever read how marjorine in made? It's like one molecule different from plastic!

Yep, give me my goat butter and pig lard. LOL

SPIKE

Yep, we use real butter, lard, beef tallow, olive oil, coconut oil, sunflower or peanut oil. There are enough options out there that avoiding corn, canola, soybean or other vegetable oils really isn't a hardship.

It wouldn't let me open it, it said private video.

Do you watch that AMC show Walking Dead? I have to admit I got sucked into it this weekend when they had a marathon-all the episodes in order leading up to the newest one and I really liked it. (I don't like to watch tv really but it was rainy and there was nothing else to do!) Anyhow-in one part this group of survivors were discussing how these zombies turn and the guy in the know said, "We all carry it." In the show the CDC finds out we all have the "it" that turns anyone who dies into a "walker". I couldn't help but think about this mystery organism when I saw that episode. :shocked:

And you know what is crazy? It's not that hard to find pastured pork/beef and buy leaf lard from the farmer-and render it yourself in the kitchen. I had no idea ... and anytime I need to get the girls to eat something they are not crazy about I just cook it up in lard and they gobble it down! :clap:

Me too. I started watching yesterday and got to see the first 15 min when something came up and I had to stop. I went back today to continue and now I can not access it.

Tallow with more than 0.15% insoluble impurities is illegal to feed to goats and cows. I think it is because of that Mad Cow thing.

I could be wrong..but I'm pretty sure she meant her 2 legged kids.

:rolleyes:Yep Shannon is talking about her children not her goats.

I will be buying some peanut oil for my does to give them extra fat.

For those that can't open it google Genetic Roulette or do a YouTube search.