Goat not in Labor! Or is she?

Lizza · #21 01/01/13, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MirandaT

OK, No vaseline. I will check the tack room for lube....And i wont push to hard,....Ill go slow and careful.
Thank u all !

Not straight liquid soap! Mixed with hot water, small amount in hot water, is what I would do, or the coconut oil.

Lizza · #22 01/01/13, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MirandaT

OK, No vaseline. I will check the tack room for lube....And i wont push to hard,....Ill go slow and careful.
Thank u all !

One last thing, many people keep a backup (at least we do) of a bottle of dry powder lube, so it may be powder not jelly, doesn't work that great but is better then nothing. It does say "lube" on the side.

MirandaT · #23 01/01/13, 01:57 PM

OK, I did it... I DID IT!!!! Two fingers, very gently, with a bit of oil on them.
Not dish soap.

Heres how it went.
I went in about an inch...and was blocked, So i slid my fingers aroung ever so gently til i found an area i could go into. It was in and slightly upwards.... IS THIS RIGHT?? She was loose. No issue getting in. Now i have never been inside a goat, but i remember what the cervix felt like when i was prego,And I could not find her cervix. What i did feel, abour a fingers length in, was something round and hard, cone shaped...Nose?? or knee??? It felt like it was right there with nothing between us but a small bit of bag, ......Would i have been able to feel that if it was just in the uterus, or was the cervix open and i was feeling the baby... After about 30 seconds in, I got out, and she was fine, no whelping or pain. ???? I wish i could be more specific...
sorry

GoldenWood Farm · #24 01/01/13, 02:00 PM

It sounds like a kid is right there...I would go in again and see if you can feel past the hard cone shape, can you move it around? Push it backwards? Gah I wish I lived closer! Okay if it was me...I would see if I couldn't move the kid (I am assuming it was a kid) backwards a bit further so I could get a better feel on what exactly is going on. A kid should be presented with either a nose and it's two front hooves or it can be breach with it's back feet presenting (I have delivered both ways). I am wondering if it is just her water sack...or it could be the kid still in it's sack. Okay I keep editing this but I am mulling things over in my head. Either way it sounds like she is in active labor and for some reason nothing is progressing meaning a kid is stuck or not in the right position. You need to be acting fast in helping her, the longer a doe labors the higher the risk of loosing a kid(s) and mom. I am wondering if she is having a sluggish labor or if the kid is just not presented right.

It doesn't sound like a kid is presented right but then again if she is having a sluggish labor due to low calcium or some other reason that would explain why she is having a hard time getting the kid out. I hope some of this is making sense to you, my brain is going a million miles an hour trying to think if how to help you.

Justine

Justine

MirandaT · #25 01/01/13, 02:08 PM

Would I be able to feel that baby cone shape if i was feeling the outside of the uterus, or did i go into the cervix.... Im so confused. Ill go back out and see her in a sec...Gotta feed the kids(my human kids) lol

Alice In TX/MO · #26 01/01/13, 02:13 PM

It could also be a kid's rear end. You have to figure out if there is a nose/teeth or a tail.

When I felt the first tail and the kid was stuck, I loaded that goat and we went to the vet. Now, I know what to do, but fishing for back feet wasn't what I was ready for at that time.

GoldenWood Farm · #27 01/01/13, 02:24 PM

MirandaT I am going to be outside in the barn clipping hooves for a bit. Call me if you need any help!

Justine

Backfourty,MI. · #28 01/01/13, 02:30 PM

Been reading your thread & you already have some excellent advice. I remember the 1st time I needed to go in & it is scary the 1st time but I kept thinking if I don't I might loose my doe so I did it.

Keep us updated but it does sound like she's in labor now & ready. Keeping my fingers crossed for you & the momma.

MirandaT · #29 01/01/13, 02:52 PM

Thank you all, I love this site

I will keep you all posted. Going out to make rounds again!!!

Lizza · #30 01/01/13, 03:15 PM

Watch her close for signs of exhaustion. I wish I had a link to positions, it is easier to close your eyes while you feel. I will search the web for positions so you can get an idea of what you may be feeling.

Do you have any CMPK? Or goat calcium drench? I might give hot molasses water if she needs a pick me up too and/or electrolytes.

Lizza · #31 01/01/13, 03:21 PM

Ok, here are some lamb Dystocia's with illustrations and explanations and what can be done, study this, then go in with your eyes closed and see what you are dealing with.

http://www.woolgrowers.org/education...obstetrics.pdf

GoldenWood Farm · #32 01/01/13, 03:57 PM

How is she doing MirandaT? Any progress??

Justine

MirandaT · #33 01/01/13, 04:09 PM

I have "bounce back" in powder form, And ive been giving her hot molasses water, just in case, Still no change. Ive been watching her 9 days with no change!....Frustrating

:And I keep inspecting her with a fine tooth comb for any bit of inclination shes in labor....But nothing. Ugh,

I feel like this is the worldsd largest pot...not boiling.

GoldenWood Farm · #34 01/01/13, 04:11 PM

If you where able to go in and feel something in her cervix then she is in labor. Have you gone back in and found out exactly what you where feeling?

Justine

MirandaT · #35 01/01/13, 04:12 PM

Justine- Shes laying on the ground.....She will get up and go to a different corner, and lay down... No mucus, no noise, no pushing,... If she wasnt the size of a house i wouldnt even think she was pg. Except for all those signs......idk

MirandaT · #36 01/01/13, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenWood Farm

If you where able to go in and feel something in her cervix then she is in labor. Have you gone back in and found out exactly what you where feeling?

Justine

I did. But i still cant tell what Im feeling. About to look at this diagram thing

GoldenWood Farm · #37 01/01/13, 04:17 PM

Okay, I will tell you that I had a doe who was in active labor (delivered one kid) and after an hour of just kind of doing nothing but getting up and moving around I finally went in again to find a kid blocking her sister from coming out (triplets).

After you look at the diagram see if you can't push it back in a bit. If you can you might be able to get a better feel for what is going on. The good thing is it doesn't sound like she is in major distress. If it makes you feel better sometimes when I have had to go in I still have no clue as to what I am feeling

. One time I was presented with just an ear...I was very perplexed as to what exactly I was dealing with (I thought maybe a VERY flat kid) but I finally realized it was an ear

.

Justine

Lizza · #38 01/01/13, 04:19 PM

Could she not be in active labor? Did you mean 9 hours or 9 days? Do you have any pictures? Honestly, a vet call may be in order here soon, depending on the situation. How is she acting? Is she still ruminating (chewing cud)?

MirandaT · #39 01/01/13, 04:21 PM

Im almost positive that it was a nose, but i will go in again, with my eyes closed and try to push it back.

GoldenWood Farm · #40 01/01/13, 04:23 PM

If it was a nose and you push it back see if you can't find the feet (feel for a mouth/teeth to make sure it is a nose). I am sure you already read on the diagram but you will want to get both feet up by the nose and help pull the kid out. Don't pull both shoulders through at once though, good luck! I am praying it is a nose because if you get the kid pushed back in you shouldn't have a hard time getting the legs up.

Justine