Goat Worming question

Id argue in many cases such things are alternative because there is little money in studying them... thats another story though...
I absolutely did NOT tell anyone they should use a thing. I ASKED if others have success with something, that I know has success in humans with atleast some sever parasite issues. why start a new thread to ask if people have experience with something directly related to THIS thread? the OP already got and accepted the answers given before i asked about an alternative.

Also never said that Id take my ball and go home. come on now! but if I annoy so many member from asking questions, especially when it includes you, who has shown me the most kindness, there isnt much point in me being here. Last several threads I started had almost no replies. Maybe its since im male, or my posting style or management style or a fluke. I couldnt say.

there have been forums in the past Im told I take things off topic for similar reasons. I dont see it that way. So Id likely end up doing something similar when i thought of a question after reading the replies in some future thread. I have no desire to ruffle feathers so again no point in being here since by my nature i apparently do ruffle feathers.

Since I never actually gave advise I wouldnt feel responsible. I ASKED if people had success with something. I also pointed out I have no idea if it works with goats, beyond not yet having signs of parasite issues in my own. i expressed atleast in people with some types of severe parasite issues it IS effective. Which doesnt hold true with most alternatives that help with parasites, which is exactly why I wanted to know if anyone had experience with it. Possibly being one of the few alternatives that has a chance of working on severe cases. which is WHY I ASKED if anyone knows if it works on goats. By the way I mentioned only one of several humans I know personally who had bad parasite issues it helped with.

where I live worm issues are less anyway. Its the high desert. so the fact my goats have not had issues yet, doesnt conclusively tell me anything. I verified others used it in livestock, but thats about all i verified in the time I spent looking into its usage. Even if very effective on specific parasites I have no idea if it covers the full range. which again is why i asked if anyone had experience with it.

You all have a good time. apparently I dont color in the lines well enough. nothing new. it is what it is.

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I had no idea you were male. Silverseeds sounds elvish and female to me. Hey, what do I know?

Sounds like you've had trouble in the past, going on boards and trying to change the status quo to your method of discussion. This is based on what you said above.

I hope you have wonderful success with your goats.

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I agree with Silverseeds you were simply asking questions.

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Who says there arent male elves?

Goats are happy and healthy so far anyway! thanks.

I never tried to change the status quo to my method of discussion. But I have indeed run into this same issue all over this forum and others. Im completely baffled how anyone could think I advised anyone or was somehow off topic or wrong to post my question in this thread. thus Id simply continue to offend when I have no intention of doing so. Several of you have helped me greatly with issues I had trouble finding info on, or didnt have the time.

I got a few PMs about this. For the record, no particular person drove me away. thought Id say this here instead of PMs since others might have agreed with the PMs I got but didnt send me a PM on it.

Im not leaving upset. I like many folks on many sections of this forum. This section was the last I still read daily. I just find it a bit anal. which annoys me. No need for me to be annoyed, internet is a big place. best I find a place that on topic thoughts or questions arent called off topic because of what I find arbitrary reasons.

Besides, my REAL goal for being on this foru is general is my personal work. Im a plant breeder and you might call it a cropping systems designer or terraformer. Permaculture but I cant use that word really its patented, and I have no intention of going to pay for the classes when I know much more then atleast anyone Ive personally found in the field, and include more variables in my work.

In a few YEARS I will need a solid place to share my work. (when it has matured and is more impressive etc) I thought this might be the place, but its just slightly off. So time to look for greener pasture. Ive tried about every permaculture forum out there already. Didnt find a fit there yet either. I will find something eventually though. Or if not, maybe just go the youtube route instead. Walk people through what Im doing etc. Like I said I include lots of variables ignored in the field that are truly game changers and greatly maximize the potentials of water usage specifically. (high desert)

I appreciate many on this forum, you goat folks the most. Heck callian has taken her time and talked to me on the phone when I thought I had an issue to complicated for the forum. I was wrong it was an easy one apparently but I wasnt finding info searching. I just need to spend what time I have for forums looking for a place that will be the most fertile home for what I happen to be working on. do my part in advancing a field I feel will greatly change agriculture and for that matter homesteading into the future. Some things Im doing are for commercial models, (non irrigated on land considered non arable, that is cheap with low taxes) others only practical at the homestead level. I hope that makes sense and there is no hard feelings.

Just to be clear, im not mad or being chased away, I just see now this isnt the place to disseminate what im working on and need to manage my time appropriately. doubtful, but who knows if I have a goat issue I cant solve perhaps I will be back.

If anyone wants a contact it is silverseeds@gardener.com I get tons of spam as it is so dont mind posting it. LOL

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I & am sure no one else intended to upset you or make you feel like you needed to find a new forum. It takes all kinds of folks to make our goat forum the great place that it is.

All I was trying to say that is the OP is fairly new to goats & having obvious worm problems because they can see them coming out of the goats so Herbal wormers are not the thing they need right now.

Herbal wormers are disscussed here quite often & I'm not saying anything's wrong with them. Everyone needs to find what works for them & as long as their goats thrive that's great. BUT in the OP's case herbal wormers aren't going to take care of the worm burden that is already so bad.

For any new folks out there if you decide to try herbal wormers PLEASE do fecals before & after using them.

Equimax horse paste dewormer works really well for getting rid of tapeworms. I've used it at 3x the horse dose by weight with excellent results. I think most farm supply stores sell it.

Really my decision has little to do with you guys. I only signed back on to say this and send a PM to someone.

This remains my favorite section here. Just need to spend my time on a forum that will be better suited for my work. I dont like being on lots of forums at a time because Im a bit compulsive and read most everything posted many days.

As to the rest you said, oil of oregano "MIGHT" work at high worm loads. Ive seen it do so in humans with several different issues on person having been on their deathbeds. I said this already, but this is why I asked if others had sucess with it in goats, to know if I DO have something that can work effectively at true problem parasite loads or just another buffer as most herbal wormers are. Only bother to reiterate this so the thought is out there. As everyone who really digs into goat info knows there are lots of holes in our knowledge. this is a possible avenue of study or testing for someone. Actually I can think of several other herbs that would likely be effective as well, but those can be dangerous being items that can be overdosed on. because of the varying quality among cultivars and growing conditions... Imo the variance among SOMe herbs from location to cultivar and the lack of deep studies of many of them is the real reason the pharms are desirable. there is less money in studying those or bothering to synthsize them into something you can be assured is an exxact dosage. With oil of oregano, overdosing wouldnt be an issue which is why I named that and not the others. Im not brave enough to mess with the others even myself.

I DO really appreciate the help I got here! several of you made my goat experience much easier. Im close to a level I have a good enough grasp I will do okay from here I think anyway... Would have been MUCH harder to get here without you guys!

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