Strongyles.....HELP

Bearfootfarm · #21 12/07/12, 11:56 AM

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I'm running to tsc now is there anything else I should get?

Worm her with Levamisole

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

Strongyles.....HELP - Goats

glasshousegoats · #22 12/07/12, 05:06 PM

Update: she ate some weeds earlier and now is back to her sick self. Part of me wants to just leave her alone because its turning into a battle. This is a goat who I bottle raised and would respond to my voice and come running when she saw me. Now when she sees me coming she turns her head away and refuses help. The other one who was like this and came back positive for strongyles is starting to get better and all we did with her was give her the dewormer and left her alone, mainly because she is impossible in every way imaginable.
At this point I feel like I've done all that I can do without overdoing it. I don't know anymore.
I guess this is why my dad kept telling me not to get attached

Alice In TX/MO · #23 12/07/12, 06:25 PM

I would NOT give up.

glasshousegoats · #24 12/07/12, 06:57 PM

I took her outside around 6 and she went to town on pretty much everything and she even walked faster than she has been the past two days. Seeing as we've lost 3 goats that were all under a year old in the past 2 months to worms/cocci I've learned not to get my hopes up. Her stools weren't as clear as they've been, looks as if there's more of a consistency to them. I'm going in soon to give her kaopectate and her anti diarrhea pill and some pumpkin and see if she'll drink some.

**mygoat** · #25 12/07/12, 07:06 PM

All else fails, ask your vet to do a fecal culture at a diagnostic center. It may be Salmonellosis or E.coli. Obviously dewormers wouldn't be effective in those cases. I will say that *usually* scours in adult animals is caused by worms. An animal that is sick, however, can get secondary infections of cocci, salmonella, or E.coli (which is commensal most of the time).

If you've lost a few to similar issues, it's time to take a good hard look at management. Deworming at appropriate dosages and ONLY when appropriate (fecals, FAMANCHA - reduce 'scheduled' dewormings as much as possible to reduce resistance risk) with wormers that work for your area, practicing cocci prevention on young stock starting at 3 weeks old, and perhaps diet/environment if it does turn out to be salmonellosis/E.coli.

Bearfootfarm · #26 12/07/12, 08:42 PM

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we've lost 3 goats that were all under a year old in the past 2 months to worms/cocci

You need to use a TOTALLY different wormer, and don't waste time with "natural" methods until she is healthy

glasshousegoats · #27 12/09/12, 08:50 AM

She was last dewormed with safeguard on Wednesday, is it too soon to deworm her again? She is firming up but getting much weaker. Struggling to get up on her own but once she's up she'll walk by herself. My only concern with deworming her again is that it might kill off too much and she'll bleed to death internally.
I mean she isn't peeing and having diarrhea at the same time anymore she's peeing and then having muddy scours. She drinks very little and will drink electrolytes when she wants but only from a bottle. I asked the vet for lactated ringers to give subQ but they wouldn't give them to me.
She is eating grass when I take her out but the weather here is all rain all the time. As soon as it slows down I take her out.

Any suggestions?

Backfourty,MI. · #28 12/09/12, 09:26 AM

Mygoats advice is good & would help maybe with the Mystery of what's really going on with your goats. May really steer you in the right direction.

Since she's still doing pretty bad & weak I still think I would worm her with Quest or Cydectin. Also maybe some Red Cell will help build her back up give her some extra strength.

Cannon_Farms · #29 12/09/12, 09:28 AM

safeguard is safe, maybe even for the worms. I dont understand why you want to keep using it, but no, it would not hurt her and wouldnt cause a mass kill. The only drug you really have that concern with is Cydectin which i will use a soft wormer like safeguard or pyrentel which has less resistance then 3 days later i use cydectin but thats ONLY if they are very pale in the eyelids to the point they are almost white or are white.

Sherry in Iowa · #30 12/09/12, 10:52 AM

Glasshouse..what state do you live in? Has it been super rainy? Are all the goat afflictions somewhat similar to each other?

glasshousegoats · #31 12/09/12, 11:45 AM

Sherry, I'm in Southern New Jersey. Ever since June we've been battling with this. We've used ivomec, oral and injectable, pyrantel paste, safeguard, cydectin, valbazen, and sulmet tabs. All of the symptoms are similar with each goat. Weak, pale eyes, rough coat, swollen face(not bottle jaw, they just look puffy), decreased appetite and thirst, sunken eyes, runny stools rangin from mud pies to straight water. Some who are sick with the same worms and have received the same treatment cleared up.
This one in particular is starting to firm up but the more her stools firm the weaker she gets.

glasshousegoats · #32 12/09/12, 11:48 AM

Sherry, I'm in Southern New Jersey. Ever since June we've been battling with this. We've used ivomec, oral and injectable, pyrantel paste, safeguard, cydectin, valbazen, and sulmet tabs. All of the symptoms are similar with each goat. Weak, pale eyes, rough coat, swollen face(not bottle jaw, they just look puffy), decreased appetite and thirst, sunken eyes, runny stools rangin from mud pies to straight water. Some who are sick with the same worms and have received the same treatment cleared up.
This one in particular is starting to firm up but the more her stools firm the weaker she gets.
The weather here has been awful for the animals. We had weeks thus summer where it was above 110 and dry and others where it was in the 90s and humid. Once August hit it got wet, rain for days in a row where the animals wouldn't go out. Now that its getting colder and still wet we are in a bind with what to do each goat has access to fresh water, loose mineral and blocks as well as hay and grain given once a day.

Jyllie63 · #33 12/09/12, 01:02 PM

When I read a few paragraphs back where you say she doesn't want to get up but once you get her up she walks around, it brought me back to my gal back in february. I was finding my goat down...like she was pushed...and she couldn't get back up. When I would pick her up she would take off like nothing had happened. I ended up keeping her in the house because I didn't want her to get knocked down while I was at work and end up laying in the snow. This went on for a week or two and when my dh did a fecal on her she had cocci. She was 11 months old so that didn't even cross my mind. Once I treated her for the cocci, she bounced back. I would defnitely run a fecal again to check for it

. I treated her with dimethox.

glasshousegoats · #34 12/09/12, 01:22 PM

We treated her for cocci with the sulmet tabs for 5 days as directed and she bounced back but then went back down again. The vet said they didn't see any cocci with their fecals but I don't think they waited long enough. I know she has to have it because of the smell of her stools. They are starting to get pasty but she's continuing to act the way you said your doe was.

What did you use to treat her and what did you feed etc? She's finally starting to show an interest in chow and ate some alfalfa pellets and beet pulp.

Cannon_Farms · #35 12/09/12, 01:25 PM

a goat that has had diarrhea that long probably wont show anything at all in a fecal but would be what I went with in treatment. Stongyles wont generally cause this much problem in a otherwise healthy goat, loss of condition is usually the worst of it.
Perfect weather pattern, symptoms and age for coccidia course since I dont know your hygine practices or exposures you could be looking at ecoli type problems but not likely.

Cannon_Farms · #36 12/09/12, 01:27 PM

Sulmet tabs are not ideal, do you have the dosage? I tried to make life easy and use some I had here from dogs for the kids and found out even with doing the proper conversion it didnt take care of the problem. I actually had to use 2 doses of baycox.

Jyllie63 · #37 12/09/12, 01:57 PM

double post

Jyllie63 · #38 12/09/12, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by glasshousegoats

We treated her for cocci with the sulmet tabs for 5 days as directed and she bounced back but then went back down again. The vet said they didn't see any cocci with their fecals but I don't think they waited long enough. I know she has to have it because of the smell of her stools. They are starting to get pasty but she's continuing to act the way you said your doe was.

What did you use to treat her and what did you feed etc? She's finally starting to show an interest in chow and ate some alfalfa pellets and beet pulp.

Here is what I used....the first day I gave her 1ml dimethox 12.5 solution (orally)for every 5 pounds weight. The next 4 days she got 1ml for every 10lbs weight...repeated it every 20 days. I also gave her Fortified vitamin b complex. My goats get goat chow and alfalfa pellets so I gave her a little more of that than I normally did. I also added rice bran to it. Keep in mind my girl was 11 months old and 21lbs and no she isn't a mini

. I won't even go into THAT story LOL. Anyway, It didn't take long for me to see definite improvement. Oh yes...I also copper bolused her...not sure if it helped, but she sure did look better.

Backfourty,MI. · #39 12/09/12, 03:11 PM

Jill may have hit it right on the nose & the cause of your problem.
Go back to my post on the 1st page it gives a link for treatment dosages for coccidosis. If you can get the Di-Methox 40% injectable & give it orally according to the link.
The 12.5% will work if that's all you can get but you have to give so much more of the medication & it tastes NASTY so she will fight you on it when she gets strong enough.

Jyllie63 · #40 12/09/12, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

Jill may have hit it right on the nose & the cause of your problem.
Go back to my post on the 1st page it gives a link for treatment dosages for coccidosis. If you can get the Di-Methox 40% injectable & give it orally according to the link.
The 12.5% will work if that's all you can get but you have to give so much more of the medication & it tastes NASTY so she will fight you on it when she gets strong enough.

i mix mine in orange juice or koolaid...they got to the point where they saw it coming and attacked me for it