Gretta's blood test

Barleychown · #**181** 11/17/12, 11:11 AM

Maybe it would go better if you dissolved the crushed pills in water, then added something for flavor? Perhaps molasses? Probably wouldn't be strong enough to overpower the nasty taste of the pills, but it would cut it some.

Giving antibiotics at the same time as the yogurt will negate any benefit of the live cultures in the yogurt. I'm not sure how fast a goat processes things, but I know with a human or a dog you give live cultures at least two hours after the antibiotics. Is that possible in this case?

Minelson · #**182** 11/17/12, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barleychown

Maybe it would go better if you dissolved the crushed pills in water, then added something for flavor? Perhaps molasses? Probably wouldn't be strong enough to overpower the nasty taste of the pills, but it would cut it some.

Giving antibiotics at the same time as the yogurt will negate any benefit of the live cultures in the yogurt. I'm not sure how fast a goat processes things, but I know with a human or a dog you give live cultures at least two hours after the antibiotics. Is that possible in this case?

Yes I know she wasn't going to get anything good out of the yogurt. I did just learn that though from when she was on the tetracycline.
It is VERY helpful to know about the 2 hours...I was wondering how long so thank you. It's hard juggling all of this.
I will try dissolving in water and see if that works. Thank you!

andabigmac · #**183** 11/17/12, 01:09 PM

Try a longer dissolving time. You could try to do a couple of days in advance of the pills are that hard to dissolve. What about snow cone syrup? My girls would take battery acid if it was mixed with cherry or grape snow cone syrup.

Have you put any thought into trying some herbs? I'm thinking about Slippery Elm to start. If you want I could send you a week or so worth to try. That way if she reacts to something you wouldn't be stuck with a pound of it. I have everything I mentioned before except the Boswellia. Let me know. I'd love to help Gretta out.

Minelson · #**184** 11/17/12, 01:55 PM

I keep Slippery elm bark on hand.

Yes I do want to try herbs for soothing her stomach. I also want the water Keifer since I only have the milk kind. And the coconut oil. If I could narrow it down and mix the herbs in the drench somehow that would be helpful. Can you make a suggestion on dosing and which herbs would be the best? my head is spinning. Should I get that water keifer from that website you posted earlier? Or would getting it from I herb be good enough when they get the coconut oil in. What would you do if you were me??

Minelson · #**185** 11/17/12, 01:56 PM

And where the heck do you get sno cone syrup?

emanuelcs34 · #**186** 11/17/12, 02:31 PM

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And where the heck do you get sno cone syrup?

I have seen some at our walmart....Not sure if it would be a seasonal thing though.

Barleychown · #**187** 11/17/12, 02:40 PM

I wonder if the torani coffee syrups would work? Or, you can buy Lorann flavor oils and make your own.

Minelson · #**188** 11/17/12, 02:41 PM

Gretta sporting another new goat coat. I ordered this one and was a bit disappointed with it. It's supposed to be winter/waterproof. It just doesn't seem like it will be warm enough for winter. And she would NEVER go out in the rain. But today is VERY windy and I think it's good for blocking wind. So in the winter I can put it on over her polertec. Katie, the one you sent me is out in the barn and when we head in for the night I'll see if it fits. Mamagoat61, the one you sent me will be really warm but I'm still working on alterations.

It's kinda sliding to the side...do I have it on right?
Gretta's blood test - Goats

Minelson · #**189** 11/17/12, 02:49 PM

I look at that picture with Frankie and see his scur that I have not dealt with. I Finally got Pony and Tinkers feet trimmed today. Gretta, Frankie and Flossie need their feet done too. My house is a mess....worse than usual. There is so much I want to research with the herbs. My cats all need deworming. My horses have been totally neglected. >sigh< I am starting to feel overwhelmed

I should be training Gray-C. I have about 10 bagillion fence clips I need to install on the new fence before winter. And then I also read 6 weeks until Christmas!! ugh...yes, overwhelmed.

Minelson · #**190** 11/17/12, 02:55 PM

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I have seen some at our walmart....Not sure if it would be a seasonal thing though.

What isle would it be in?

Barleychown · #**191** 11/17/12, 02:59 PM

Every time I've seen it in Walmart, it was near the small kitchen appliances...where they sell a snow cone machine.

andabigmac · #**192** 11/17/12, 03:02 PM

Is your Slippery Elm in capsule form? If so, let's try 1 pill am and pm for 2 weeks. It will be tricky gauging if she has a reaction from it or whether it is caused by the heavy antibiotics. Children can take slippery elm. It won't interfere with her meds at all. Watch for skin rash, coughing, stool changes etc. Once again, it will be hard to gauge whether its the slippery elm or antibiotics. In 2 weeks we'll introduce Boswellia. I'm buying some for my son. I'll let you know how it goes.

I personally would give her water kefir. I've read a lot where milk upsets a lot of Crohns patients. I know that kefir eats the lactose so it's easily digested but until we get her into remission I think the water kefir would be a better bet. The coconut oil should replace the needed calories that the kefir had. I would stop the yogurt too when you get the water kefir. I would also try some sauerkraut or other fermented food.

If you want to give her grains I would soak them 24 hours to get rid of the phytates in them which make them hard to digest. I would go easy on the grain too. I know you're not giving her a lot so hopefully by sprouting it will ease the strain on her intestines.

Another thing I'm wondering is if Chaffhaye would work well for her. Maybe you could order a sample for her. It sounds like it has a lot of beneficial bacteria in it. Maybe Crystal can chime in here. I've never used it.

More work, huh? You know that this is all in addition to the antibiotics, right?

Barleychown · #**193** 11/17/12, 03:02 PM

Minelson, since I'm stuck on the couch this week nursing a knee, let me take a stab at making a dosing schedule...and then andabigmac and caliann can add to it or adjust it as needed.

You have a lot going on. Take a deep breath and tackle one thing at a time. (((hugs)))

Metronidazole (Flagyl) dosage: 500mg 3 times a day, for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Miprofloxacin (Cipro) dosage: 500mg given every 12 hours, for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Prednisone dosage: 2mg/kg of body weight, (NO MORE than 80 mg per day) divided into 3 doses per day (give at the same time as the Flagyl), for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Slippery elm, twice a day with the probiotics

Coconut oil,(melting point is 76*)

Water kefir/yogurt/kefir/probios twice a day-

Dyne

Soak grains to sprout.

First round flagyl, cipro (assuming it can be given at the same time), and prednisone. Make into a liquid, add dyne and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins.

Two hours later, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil, and slippery elm.-

Second round flagyl and prednisone ,-Make into a liquid, add dyne and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins

Two hours later, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil.-

Third round of-flagyl, cipro (assuming it can be given at the same time), and prednisone. Make into a liquid, add dyne and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins.

Last thing before bed, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil, and slippery elm.-

***instead of prolonged soaking of the pills, can a blender be used to make a slurry thin enough to drench? Would that effect the pills in a negative way?

****if time is an issue, drop the middle dose of probiotics

Minelson · #**194** 11/17/12, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barleychown

Minelson, since I'm stuck on the couch this week nursing a knee, let me take a stab at making a dosing schedule...and then andabigmac and caliann can add to it or adjust it as needed.

You have a lot going on. Take a deep breath and tackle one thing at a time. (((hugs)))

Metronidazole (Flagyl) dosage: 500mg 3 times a day, for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Miprofloxacin (Cipro) dosage: 500mg given every 12 hours, for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Prednisone dosage: 2mg/kg of body weight, (NO MORE than 80 mg per day) divided into 3 doses per day (give at the same time as the Flagyl), for 4 weeks. Given orally.

Slippery elm, twice a day with the probiotics

Coconut oil, every dose (melting point is 76*)

Water kefir/yogurt/kefir/probios twice a day-

First round flagyl, cipro (assuming it can be given at the same time), and prednisone. Make into a warm liquid, add 1+ tsp of coconut oil and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins.

Two hours later, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil, and slippery elm.-

Second round flagyl and prednisone ,-Make into a warm liquid, add 1+ tsp of coconut oil and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins

Two hours later, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil.-

Third round of-flagyl, cipro (assuming it can be given at the same time), and prednisone. Make into a warm liquid, add 1+ tsp of coconut oil and something to cut nasty taste of -meds. Follow with a handful of raisins.

Last thing before bed, a slurry of probiotic of choice, 1Tbsp of coconut oil, and slippery elm.-

***instead of prolonged soaking of the pills, can a blender be used to make a slurry thin enough to drench? Would that effect the pills in a negative way?

****if time is an issue, drop the middle dose of probiotics

Thank you ....

I'm not bawling but there is no smiley for just tears in my eyes.

I don't have a blender. My Slippery elm is powdered form. I use it to make dosage balls with ammonium chloride for Frankie and Pony.

I have the Pred/Metro/Cipro soaking in water now for hopefully a better drench. The Dyne is like a syrup loaded with calories for weak animals...kinda like Nutracal but not as thick. I think the secret is to have the meds in enough liquid that I can shake it up right before drenching.
My little trooper is still running up to me every time I walk out the door. Even with all the nasty drenching and goat coat experiments.

Minelson · #**195** 11/17/12, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by andabigmac

If you want to give her grains I would soak them 24 hours to get rid of the phytates in them which make them hard to digest. I would go easy on the grain too. I know you're not giving her a lot so hopefully by sprouting it will ease the strain on her intestines.

She will eat a couple small handfulls of whole oats...I'll start soaking some now.

Minelson · #**196** 11/17/12, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andabigmac

Another thing I'm wondering is if Chaffhaye would work well for her. Maybe you could order a sample for her. It sounds like it has a lot of beneficial bacteria in it. Maybe Crystal can chime in here. I've never used it.

I contacted that company and asked for a quote to have it delivered here. There are no distributors in my area or even close.
They have not gotten back to me. And that was awhile ago...

Barleychown · #**197** 11/17/12, 03:45 PM

Ah, ok. I forgot the dyne. I'll make some adjustments, and we need a weight or measurement on the slippery elm from andabigmac.

She sure is a sweet goat. Pretty sure my girls wouldn't be quite as tolerant.

Minelson · #**198** 11/17/12, 03:48 PM

Aaack! I used the last of my Slippery Elm in my jar on dosage balls for the boys. I thought I had a whole lb of backstock but it's Kelp!! I am cursing loudly...I'm headed out to spend some time with my critters. after I soak the oats.

Barleychown · #**199** 11/17/12, 03:52 PM

Thinking out loud here, but because the coconut oil is solid until 76*, I'm thinking it would be easier to load it into a BIG syringe and then warm it with your body and squirt in her mouth. Let me try some things here and I'll get back to you.

Minelson · #**200** 11/17/12, 05:19 PM

She ate about half the soaked oats and I was able to get about 1/2 tsp of slippery elm on them..but she didn't finish so she just got a trace. The meds went much better tonight. I let the crushed pills soak in water for a couple hours then shook it and put it in the syringe and topped it off with about a teaspoon of molasses. I am giving details for learning and adivice. I know molasses can be hard on the rumen..But I don't have any sno cone juice!