Oh God..Gretta has Johnes

Minelson · #**161** 10/27/12, 07:18 PM

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momagoat61 · #**162** 10/27/12, 07:23 PM

So you are given the Tetracycline orally, is that correct? If this was me, which it ain't, but I would be given a whole lot more of the Fort Vit B, like 3 times as much, twice a day. I have given up to 10 to 12 cc per side to treat goat Polio every 4 to 6 hrs for several days. 3cc for even a mini like Gretta isn't much once aday...

Minelson · #**163** 10/27/12, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by momagoat61

So you are given the Tetracycline orally, is that correct? If this was me, which it ain't, but I would be given a whole lot more of the Fort Vit B, like 3 times as much, twice a day. I have given up to 10 to 12 cc per side to treat goat Polio every 4 to 6 hrs for several days. 3cc for even a mini like Gretta isn't much once aday...

I'm injecting it SQ. I read 4 cc's per hundred pounds and she is at #57. Maybe even less now. She has also gotten Dex and Thiamine. I am not sure of the dosage since it was vet administered and he left me a dose that I gave her today. The other dose was Thurs and seemed to help her throughout Fri. Today she seemed Neurologic again so I gave it.
Maybe I should Up the Fortified vitamin B? She takes it much better injected than orally. She hates it.

momagoat61 · #**164** 10/27/12, 08:01 PM

Sorry I didn't read where she was give the Dexamethsone and the pure vet prescrip of thiamine. I would up the over the count Fort vit B once the pure thiamine that was given by the vet run its cource. Don't think Dex is supose to be give more then three days and each day they are weaned off of it.. When my Sissy was sick with cystic overo problem 3 years ago my vet gave me 3 syringes, day one was 3cc, day 2 was 2cc and the last day was 1cc.

Minelson · #**165** 10/27/12, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by momagoat61

Sorry I didn't read where she was give the Dexamethsone and the pure vet prescrip of thiamine. I would up the over the count Fort vit B once the pure thiamine that was given by the vet run its cource. Don't think Dex is supose to be give more then three days and each day they are weaned off of it.. When my Sissy was sick with cystic overo problem 3 years ago my vet gave me 3 syringes, day one was 3cc, day 2 was 2cc and the last day was 1cc.

Not your fault! I don't know how anyone can keep all this strait. I don't even know what day it is

dunroven · #**166** 10/27/12, 08:35 PM

I know this is all very tough for you. And the news from the IRS. Those bums. That's news you can always do without. How is Gretta doing tonight? I hope she's hanging in there. When will hubby be home?

CaliannG · #**167** 10/27/12, 08:44 PM

Okay, you are no longer making the cocktails. Also, you are well out of your mind with worry and grief.

AM: Give her her tetracycline. Plus the 3 cc B-Vitamins. Are her eyelids pale? If so, continue the 65 of iron. If not, discontinue it. Give her alfalfa and the handful of BOSS for fat, and dress with DYNO.

PM: Give the probiotic, as well as another 3 cc B-Vitamins. If you can get more thiamine, give her that every evening until she improves. More alfalfa, as well as the handful of BOSS for fat, and DYNO.

Keep that going for one week AFTER the antibiotic run has finished, and re-assess.

Now, more deep breaths. Can you agree with that plan?

Minelson · #**168** 10/27/12, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dunroven

I know this is all very tough for you. And the news from the IRS. Those bums. That's news you can always do without. How is Gretta doing tonight? I hope she's hanging in there. When will hubby be home?

She is doing "ok" she is eating/drinking. She is isolating though and hardly grazed today. The Dex and Thiamine really seems to help to stabilize. But she is really in rough shape to me...even though I know it could be so much worse. My poor mama goat

I thought Hubby was going to be home tomorrow night. But the last message I got from him earlier today is that he is flying out of Johannesburg "tomorrow night" But right now it is Sunday 3:47 AM there. I can't figure it out but that is ok. We shall just wait.

Minelson · #**169** 10/27/12, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Okay, you are no longer making the cocktails. Also, you are well out of your mind with worry and grief.

AM: Give her her tetracycline. Plus the 3 cc B-Vitamins. Are her eyelids pale? If so, continue the 65 of iron. If not, discontinue it. Give her alfalfa and the handful of BOSS for fat, and dress with DYNO.

PM: Give the probiotic, as well as another 3 cc B-Vitamins. If you can get more thiamine, give her that every evening until she improves. More alfalfa, as well as the handful of BOSS for fat, and DYNO.

Keep that going for one week AFTER the antibiotic run has finished, and re-assess.

Now, more deep breaths. Can you agree with that plan?

I can agree with that but question the BOSS because what I read about seeds being hard on Crhons patients.
Here eyelids are pale. She is anemic. I have her blood test posted somewhere on this thread. Also I did a urine stick and posted those.
I can get more Thiamine. Monday at the latest. Should I mix the Tetracyclyne with the Dyno to get that into her? Or just drench it maybe with the probios.
I am a cocktail gal in the sense that if I can get what is needed into them in one shot/dose I'm going to do that. I now know I must be more careful with that. The stress of medicating is the worst part of the day.

CaliannG · #**170** 10/27/12, 09:09 PM

BOSS is fine: Spinach & Sunflower Seed Diet For Crohn's | LIVESTRONG.COM

I cannot think of anything in the Dyno that shouldn't be mixed with tetracycline, so you can go ahead and cocktail antibiotic and dyno in the morning, and probiotics and dyno in the evening.

Minelson · #**171** 10/27/12, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

BOSS is fine: Spinach & Sunflower Seed Diet For Crohn's | LIVESTRONG.COM

I cannot think of anything in the Dyno that shouldn't be mixed with tetracycline, so you can go ahead and cocktail antibiotic and dyno in the morning, and probiotics and dyno in the evening.

The vet told me 500 mgs of the Tetracycline in the am and another 500mg at night. Maybe skip the probiotics in the PM and do a dose in the early afternoon of Probios and then do Dyno and tetracyclyne at night?

momagoat61 · #**172** 10/27/12, 09:52 PM

OK i'm gonna ask what is DYNO? I know what DYNE is and purchased a gal of it years,years ago as a supplement for my kids and they loved it.

Minelson · #**173** 10/27/12, 10:05 PM

It's is Dyne..sorry! Dyne High Calorie Liquid Dietary Supplement -- 16 oz.. $9.99.

Minelson · #**174** 10/28/12, 08:15 AM

Would the Bovi-Sera be a good immune booster to use after the antibiotics are gone?

Shygal · #**175** 10/28/12, 08:23 AM

Ive been reading this and keeping up with your and Grettas fight, and I just want to give you a big hug

Minelson · #**176** 10/28/12, 10:11 AM

Just got a call from David. I could hear him but he couldn't hear me at all. He is stuck in Africa due to hurricanes or something. He is having trouble getting on line to send messages

Alice In TX/MO · #**177** 10/28/12, 10:16 AM

OK, you've hit the magic number three whammies. Things will improve now.

Minelson · #**178** 10/28/12, 10:39 AM

He just called again and was able to get through. He said they are telling him it might not be until Wednesday that he will get out.

where I want to · #**179** 10/28/12, 10:51 AM

I can tell you are really a good juggler- I can't keep track of everything that you're having to do. Hat's off to you.
Still keeping you and Gretta at the top of my "good vib" list.

CaliannG · #**180** 10/28/12, 11:04 AM

If you are doing antibiotics morning and night, then yes, probiotics in the afternoon. When does the antibiotic run end? Once it is done, steal a cud from someone for her.