Oh God..Gretta has Johnes

Minelson · #**141** 10/27/12, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

Didn't her coat get there yet? I hope it comes today since it's getting so cold.

Hopefully it wil come today..mail should be here in an hour or so..thank you so much!

Backfourty,MI. · #**142** 10/27/12, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Minelson

I'm afraid to do anything normal. Like eat a real meal or take a shower or watch TV or read. It seems like if I do any of those things it will desensitize things or something weird like that

Maybe it would do you a world of good if you could do something like watch a TV show or read a little bit, try & relax. Thank goodness Dh will be home tomorrow & you'll have him there to lean on.

I sure hope the box came. I mailed it Tuesday Priority mail & I thought the PO lady told me 2-3 days.

Minelson · #**143** 10/27/12, 03:39 PM

The small animal vet clinic where I work, the wife just called me. It's a husband & wife vet team. She was just checking on me. You see I did this Johnes testing on my own but I did through the clinic where I work. So they got the results before I did because I was off that day. The husband called me with the bad news and I fell a part on the phone. When he got the results he called the lab and asked a bunch of questions before calling me. He is under the impression that the test is reliable and Gretta has this disease. I was kinda afraid to tell them that I want to retest. They roll their eyes at me on some of the stuff I do. When I told her I wanted to retest she said ABSOLUTELY! That really made me feel good I started crying again. I can't explain why, but having their support is really helpful for my psyche. Then she offered to come do chores for me. It's a little embarassing when your bosses know you are such a mess that chores might not be getting done. I thanked her and told her that I got it handled. Very heartwarming phone call.
AND...I just received a box from Katie (Backfourty)! It has a perfect goat coat in it for Gretta. A bunch of her home made soap and halloween treats for Hubby, the goats and me!! How special and sweet is that?!
And all the support and thoughts and prayers here...I am really feeling blessed

Minelson · #**144** 10/27/12, 04:25 PM

Calianne, Can you please clarify the testing I should do in post # 137??

momagoat61 · #**145** 10/27/12, 04:29 PM

Ms. Gretta's gonna be warmmm, because she's gotta another coat in route from TN:

LOL

CaliannG · #**146** 10/27/12, 04:40 PM

OH, I didn't see that post somehow!

What you want to do is send a blood and fecal sample to two different labs. For example, say you decide to use WADDL and TAMU labs.

Send WADDL a fecal sample and a red-top tube. Tell them you want the ELISA test done on the blood, a full MAP done on the fecal, with a PRC done after the MAP has cultured.

Send TAMU a fecal sample and a red-top tube. Tell them you want the ELISA test done on the blood, a full MAP done on the fecal, with a PRC done after the MAP has cultured.

Compare results you get from each lab.

Did that make sense?

And thank you for your well wishes for Grandmama. It's not that I mind the extra work at all. It's that all of my doorways are narrow and a wheelchair won't go through them, that I can't lift her myself so I would need to get the special lift for her so that she could use the restroom and have a bath which would also not fit through the doorways, and that I would need to build a ramp to get her in and out of the house. It's not SAFE for her here yet. It wouldn't do any good to bring her down here just to have an accident happen in the first day and her having something broken. That would bring her needless suffering.

Mom is thinking of her house, but she has some of the same problems with the added problem of a lack of room. We could get a bedroom for her, but the bathroom would have to be completely torn out and remodeled so that a wheelchair and a lift would fit in there.

Our houses are not wheelchair or lift friendly. We are actually thinking of a new house....if we could get one built in time.

~sighs~

Minelson · #**147** 10/27/12, 05:10 PM

Yikes! I never thought of doorways! I'm sorry...I hope you can figure it out and keep her safe. I wonder if there are any elderly/disabled organizations/programs that could help you out. You should start a thread on this. I bet we could all brainstorm and maybe help with ideas.

I get it now on the tests...thanks for clarifying. I'm a little foggy

Minelson · #**148** 10/27/12, 05:15 PM

I am giving Gretta her antibiotics along with probiotics. I'm wondering if that is a good thing. I wonder if I should do the probiotics a few hours later maybe. It just seemed weird to me as I was mixing up her cocktail Probiotics with anti biotics...wouldn't that just cancel everything out?

Goat Servant · #**149** 10/27/12, 05:19 PM

When giving antibiotics I try to wait 8-12hrs then give probiotics.

CaliannG · #**150** 10/27/12, 05:23 PM

Antibiotics in the morning, and probiotics at night, or vice versa.

Minelson · #**151** 10/27/12, 05:27 PM

Oh great

Does that mean that she hasn't been getting the benefit of the anitbiotics all along. I'm more than 1/2 way through the script

swearing

CaliannG · #**152** 10/27/12, 05:30 PM

No, it means that she hasn't been getting the benefit of probiotics all along. Antibiotics kill off bad and good bacteria. So, when you feed probiotics, you are trying to replace JUST the good bacteria that the antibiotics kills off. By mixing them together, the probiotics get pre-killed.

Minelson · #**153** 10/27/12, 05:32 PM

ok...it's amazing that she is still alive. I'm doing the best I can

CaliannG · #**154** 10/27/12, 05:46 PM

~hugs~ Easy, honey, easy. Take a deep breath. Exhale. Take another. Exhale.

Okay, now you know. Why don't you just tell us *exactly* what you have been doing, and the times you have been doing it, and we'll see if there are any other mishaps that can be so easily corrected, hmmm? We all can only do the best we know how to do, so we'll all think together on this, okay?

Now, you HAVE been mixing the antibiotics with the probiotics. Now you know to give them separately, and at different times. What else is she getting daily? You might see a big improvement just from changing when you give the probiotics.

What is your current schedule and when does the antibiotic run end?

Backfourty,MI. · #**155** 10/27/12, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by momagoat61

Ms. Gretta's gonna be warmmm, because she's gotta another coat in route from TN:

LOL

Now she'll just have a change of clothes(coats) so she can stay fashionable

ani's ark · #**156** 10/27/12, 05:58 PM

I'm chiming in a bit late here Minelson, but I just wanted to say I'm praying Gretta can recover from this. You never know until you try.
You are being a champ giving her the best care and doing all your research, and everyone here has got your back.

Goat Servant · #**157** 10/27/12, 06:21 PM

Hon. as stressed out as you are dont worry or blame yourself about the timing of probiotic/antibiotic.
In crisis mode it's impossible to think.

Minelson · #**158** 10/27/12, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

What is your current schedule and when does the antibiotic run end?

Ok...thanks to Tallabred I have been keeping a journal. Things changed the past couple of days because I thought she was going to be put to sleep. so why torment her with drenches and shots. But I'm back on schedule now.

Before diagnosis
AM. 500mg Tetracycline, 5-10 grams probios, warm water mixed with a dab of molasses, 65 mg Iron. All in one 12cc syringe but only 6-8 cc's total cocktail.
3+ cc's Fortified Vit B injection
Whole oats and Boss mixed with DYNO and hand fed.
Lots of alfalfa...the best you can buy..nice and green and leafy.

PM. Same minus the Iron and Fortified Vit B. Sometimes she eats the oats and boss sometimes she doesn't She ALWAYS scarfs down the alfalfa.

Now I have stopped the Boss and Oats from what I have read about Crohns disease and what Cliff had posted here in reference to grain and Johnes.

Tonight I gave her the 500 mg Tetracycline with a dab of molasse in warm water in a 12 cc syringe. That's it. Maybe I should give her some Probios in the middle of the night??

Minelson · #**159** 10/27/12, 07:09 PM

And just to add to the stress. Mama D came in limping tonight. Rocky is going to town on a hot spot on his leg. I got a letter from the IRS that we owe over $3000 for an error on our 2010 taxes. >sigh< I surrender.

Lovin' FarmLife · #**160** 10/27/12, 07:15 PM

You have had difficult times before, this too shall pass.
Sometimes I just say outloud, "Why not?!?!" and laugh...sometimes that is all you can do :-) chin up :-)