Johnes test

dunroven · #21 10/25/12, 10:17 AM

I have found a feed store (A KENT feed store) in the area that is willing to buy loose goat minerals for me. They don't carry them, but they can buy them from their supplier. Believe it or not, its a lumber yard. I can't get the minerals until next week, but they will call me when they are in. They are $21 for 50 pounds, which I have 11 goats so that 50 pounds should last a little while, and they go to their supplier weekly, so I can have a bag in a few days time.

My husband is picking up a couple of horse mineral blocks today. That's the best I can do around here, or the goat/sheep blocks, and I can use the horse blocks anyway, so that's fine if it won't work for the goats, I can still use it for the horses.

I'm thinking that maybe for now I'll just up the kelp a little bit? What would you do?

Sherry in Iowa · #22 10/25/12, 10:42 AM

Hey Val, just wanted to explain that the loose Kent minerals that we use are not specifically for goats..I believe they are cattle minerals.

gabbyraja · #23 10/25/12, 11:03 AM

OT-Your hospital may be able to do something more if you qualify as low income, too. Call and ask if there is any financial aid/assistance for low-income families. Our hospitals have funds to help and it reduces your portion even more. You can also apply to the state for emergency medical help. They will pay just one big bill for you, if you qualify. Pardon my interruption, but I hope something there helps.

momagoat61 · #24 10/25/12, 11:05 AM

Make sure the minerals are high in copper. I use a cattle minerals & here is a link and the minerals I use is the third from the bottom> Ultimate Cattle Minerals with the highest copper at 2600 ppm / labled in the green bag. I purchase from my local Co-op :I have used this for years and my goats love it. I put it out fresh weekly and 7 goats will eat about 10 to 12 oz per week/ 8 oz is one cup and they eat more then that..
http://www.ourcoop.com/include/image...ral%201108.pdf

gabbyraja · #25 10/25/12, 11:08 AM

Also, red cell is the only thing I know of that can help when you have barber pole worms. We had in it BAD in our sheep and lost 2 lambs before I realized what was going on. Like, fine one day and dead the next. But red cell saved the last 2. You can get it online, you know. Amazon.com: Red Cell Liquid Supplement Gallon: Pet Supplies With a Prime membership you can get it 2 day for free, or overnight for another $3.99... You might still be able to get an amazon student or amazon mom account for free (or reduced). Google the terms and you'll find info.

Clovers_Clan · #26 10/25/12, 11:22 AM

Hi. Sorry I just now caught this thread. You may have already found Red Cell. But in the event you haven't. Geritol and vit B tablets from the grocery store will work in a pinch. Just grind them up and drench. Vitamins for humans aren't balanced for the needs of a goat, but since they are water soluble, it would be hard to overdose(short term).

Others on the forum have given dosages for these. I've dosed them double the recommended for human weight with no ill affects, but I think I'm being way too conservative.

I use spring mineral for cows because other specialized minerals are not available. It does have copper and TSC sells it here.

A note on anemia, it takes a while for them to recover. You CAN overdose iron. Its best to get a good mineral balance and keep it up. And a goat can't absorb minerals well with a damaged gut. Vitamins - the Bs - are what will heal the intestinal tissue. Then the minerals will start catching up. Watching for the appearance of anemia is great diagnostic tool, but anemia, as a condition, is not necessarily your worst concern, its the underlying cause.

My meat herd had a bad load of Barber Pole late summer. The most compromised goat has taken a month and a half to shake the anemia and she's still not where I'd like her to be. And she didn't have bootle jaw. It could take quite a while.

Clovers_Clan · #27 10/25/12, 11:26 AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention. If your feed store doesn't carry probios, regular yogurt will help in a pinch as well.

kittyjo · #28 10/25/12, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JBarGFarmKeeper

The "plus" to taking the sample and testing is...it's a VERY contagious disease. The peace of mind will help you tremendously in making your future decisions for your herd. I'd do the test.

so are you at risk in any way with this

dunroven · #29 10/25/12, 12:28 PM

Well, I still can't (Sherry) get loose cattle minerals. All they sell up here are those great big great tubs and they are solid, but again, by next week I'll have true goat minerals, which I'm just amazed I could finally find them!

I think I have some vitamin B, but not sure, gonna have to dig through my vitamin supply for that, and I'm not sure its a complex of any sort. I needed it once for an arm injury and they told me that would help me heal, which it did not do, but I tried anyway. But if the goat can use it, hey, great! I also have a bottle of chelated trace minerals, can't remember where I got those, but again, that was suggested for my arm, so I'll see about that and see what the iron is in it and see what we can do with it.

No (kittyjo) he hasn't been in with my does yet, so he's not had a chance to infect them.

I do have yogurt. I hope he likes blueberry! LOL

I will do my best to get some red cell right away as well.

On the hospital bill, get this, we are over the line for help by about $50 a month, so no help coming. Oh well.

Thanks everyone! I'll keep you all posted. We are in a storm right now, wind and cold, cold, rain, so I'm holding off going out there a little bit. We'll see what can happen.

**mygoat** · #30 10/25/12, 05:17 PM

Just wanted to pipe in that Jeffers livestock carries red cell and replamin plus, and has free shipping over 49.00 orders unless there's oversized/FOB shipping. They have minerals but it's pricy to ship them. Guaranteed even if you COULD find most supplies locally, Jeffers would be cheaper. I LOVE Jeffers.

Backfourty,MI. · #31 10/25/12, 06:01 PM

I Love Jeffers too but didn't know they were carrying the Replamin Plus now. They weren't when we all started using it here! Did you see their sale for the 12 days of Christmas Dona?

Sorry, Dunroven I didn't want to hijack your thread.
I would order the Red Cell if you can't find it locally. So glad you finally found a store that will order your loose mineral. Be sure & check out Kent's minerals online before you have them order so you can specify which one you want. I would also take the blocks out of the goat areas when you put the loose minerals in for them.

dunroven · #32 10/25/12, 06:11 PM

Bomgaars told me when I called this morning that they did not have Red Cell. Well, our farm helper went to get my rabbit feed, etc., and he said something about the Red Cell, and they were all in a dither over whether he should buy what they had because it was for horses......not goats!!!! They had one, 1 gallon bottle and my farm helper said, well, I'm going to take it just in case. They assured him it was not for goats, but bless his heart he got it anyway!!! $19.99. I AM SO THRILLED!!!!! Fixing supper but right after supper, that goat will get his first dose!!!!!!! Please remind me how much I need to give him, he's right about 100 pounds at this point. He has lost an amazing amount of weight.

Thanks!

Clovers_Clan · #33 10/25/12, 08:38 PM

Dunroven-

Yes, Red Cell IS for horses, they don't have a goat version. Like so many things, its used off label because there just isn't much made specifically for goats.

I'm not sure of the dosage.

dunroven · #34 10/25/12, 08:43 PM

And now I'm going to be able to help others around here that have the goats as well with this medicine! I am just absolutely thrilled about it and i'm going to request that they keep at least the 1 gallon on the shelf! I just pray my buck is going to survive this whole thing.

It is really great to have the benefit of everyone's knowledge across the country. If I had to rely on my vets around here, my goats would all be dead. I'm very appreciative of this information. I love my goaties!

CaliannG · #35 10/26/12, 09:22 PM

I pour one capfull (from the gallon jug, on to their feed and mix the feed around.

You don't need a lot with Red Cell.