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Dreamgoat Annie · #21 10/25/12, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ozark_jewels

I went to a show that had a South African judge. He was caucasion, but his family had been in South Africa for generations on generations. Just loved listening to him talk! I learned a lot from him. After the show we sat around and looked at the photo albums he had brough with him. He had some beautiful Boer goats and sheep also. One of my fondest goat show memories.

Personally, I prefer the early South African, Australian, and New Zealand Boer bloodlines to our modern North American type with less skin, more streamlined bodies and longer necks. It was the blocky build and rolls of skin that attracted me to the breed.

Sue

wintrrwolf · #22 10/25/12, 07:08 AM

OOOhh I really like buck #5, but that's me I like color. The ears are really lovely, am glad that these aren't the "punch faced" yours have a great roman noses. I wonder if the slope comes because of the size?

Also would love to know what you feed your goats over there?

PakistaniFarmer · #23 11/07/12, 01:12 AM

Hi thnks for feedback , as these bucks were for ritual slaughter of Muslims i.e. people want and perefre 2 teeth goat. And yes it should be whether :P but they are not for breeding anyways

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Originally Posted by mammabooh

Why does it say "Teeth 2"? Do they only have two teeth? And, why does it say "bucks" if they are castrated? Is that just how it is in your country? Here, we call castrated bucks "wethers".

How old are they? They look quite steep in the rear end, but I'm a novice. I'm sure others will come on here soon and give their opinions.

That second one sure has pretty markings on his face!

PakistaniFarmer · #24 11/07/12, 01:20 AM

Hi these are not pure breeds , here we called them Rajanpuri , we feed them green fodder of corn / lucerne and yes some wheat too so they can gain weight when about to sell.

I am old member here but started business of goats few months back,

KrisD · #25 11/07/12, 08:51 AM

What breeds make up your Rajanpuri goats? Very Beautiful.

CaliannG · #26 11/07/12, 05:05 PM

Kris, Rajanpuri is the Pakistani name for Jumunipari. They are, basically, the same breed. Think of the differences between them like the differences between American Alpines, French Alpines, and British Alpines. Look at 1,000 of each, and you can get some general differences in the preferences of breeders in the different geographical areas in conformation, but not enough to make them different breeds.

Pakistanifarmer, a little question: I thought goats for religious/ritual slaughter in the Islamic religion *had* to be "perfect", as in, NOT castrated, no defects, and had to have their horns (could not be disbudded)? At least, here in the U.S., the Muslims who come to me for goats to slaughter for their festivals have to meet those criteria. Are most of the Muslims in the U.S. of a different sect than those in Pakistan? Or are some folks just more orthodox (traditional) than others?

Ford Zoo · #27 11/07/12, 09:39 PM

And I'm curious, If they are for ritual slaughter, are they then eaten? I find cultural and religious differences fasinating, although "differences" may not really be the correct word here as many rituals have the same beginings and the same or near similar goals.

KSALguy · #28 11/07/12, 09:47 PM

i had a friend that sold alot to the Muslim community, they would come out and pick their goat to process as a family on the farm, as long there were not scurs and the animal was other wise un marked they would accept weathers that had been disbudded, or horned, now then there were some that wanted eather an all white or an all black goat, they normally were a more religious group than the other familys that came,

PakistaniFarmer · #29 11/07/12, 09:58 PM

Caliann G you are correct abt Jumunpari / Rajanpuri relation as far as i know but am not an authority on breeds.

There are different charecterstics of goats which are acceptable among different school of thoughts. Some want castarated as if it is then he would be raised only for sacrifice and would be more pure. Some want is intact male.

As muslim we cant waste food , so we are allowed to eat , give as gift to friends and also can give it to poor people or mix of it. I hope it answer your query

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Kris, Rajanpuri is the Pakistani name for Jumunipari. They are, basically, the same breed. Think of the differences between them like the differences between American Alpines, French Alpines, and British Alpines. Look at 1,000 of each, and you can get some general differences in the preferences of breeders in the different geographical areas in conformation, but not enough to make them different breeds.

Pakistanifarmer, a little question: I thought goats for religious/ritual slaughter in the Islamic religion *had* to be "perfect", as in, NOT castrated, no defects, and had to have their horns (could not be disbudded)? At least, here in the U.S., the Muslims who come to me for goats to slaughter for their festivals have to meet those criteria. Are most of the Muslims in the U.S. of a different sect than those in Pakistan? Or are some folks just more orthodox (traditional) than others?

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Originally Posted by Ford Zoo

And I'm curious, If they are for ritual slaughter, are they then eaten? I find cultural and religious differences fasinating, although "differences" may not really be the correct word here as many rituals have the same beginings and the same or near similar goals.

PakistaniFarmer · #30 11/07/12, 09:59 PM

there is no as such requirement of color. However goat must be more thn 1 year in age

Suzyq2u · #31 11/08/12, 07:13 AM

Fascinating, love learning new things. They're lovely, thanks for sharing!

Kshobbit · #32 11/08/12, 09:30 AM

Thank you PakistaniFarmer for all your information on Pakistan goats. I wish there was a way to talk to goat farmers all over the world.
In Kansas, we are into the 3rd to 4th year of a terrible drought combined with triple digit temperatures for almost 2 months for the last 2 summers. It makes raising goats a real challenge as the price of hay and feed has risen 2 to 4 times the usual cost.

CaliannG · #33 11/08/12, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PakistaniFarmer

Some want castarated as if it is then he would be raised only for sacrifice and would be more pure. Some want is intact male.

there is no as such requirement of color. However goat must be more thn 1 year in age

Ahhhh! Thank you for correcting me! THAT is what the "2 teeth" means, it means that the goat has its first set of adult teeth and is therefore over 1 year old.

I had been misinformed about the meaning.

It makes sense that people would have different opinions on what is a "proper" ritual sacrifice....they have different opinions about everything else, don't they?

The Muslims that tend to buy my extra bucks are from Saudi Arabia. They want a yearling buck, not castrated, with full horns, and they say they always buy from me because mine are obviously healthy, with magnificent horns. They only talk to my husband, but they know the goats are owned by me (and are cared for by me) and not him, and they always bring me a gift of imported dates (which they know that I love).

It is a bit difficult having to deal with them through my husband, who doesn't know nearly as much as I do about goats, and therefore cannot answer their questions well, but as long as they bribe me with dates, I don't complain.

PakistaniFarmer · #34 11/16/12, 04:57 AM

As I meant to sell those bucks for sacrifice people are interested in age, 2 teeth word give them info that buck is

Over 1 year
Not too old

it is always better if you know your customer need

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Ahhhh! Thank you for correcting me! THAT is what the "2 teeth" means, it means that the goat has its first set of adult teeth and is therefore over 1 year old.

I had been misinformed about the meaning.

It makes sense that people would have different opinions on what is a "proper" ritual sacrifice....they have different opinions about everything else, don't they?

The Muslims that tend to buy my extra bucks are from Saudi Arabia. They want a yearling buck, not castrated, with full horns, and they say they always buy from me because mine are obviously healthy, with magnificent horns. They only talk to my husband, but they know the goats are owned by me (and are cared for by me) and not him, and they always bring me a gift of imported dates (which they know that I love).

It is a bit difficult having to deal with them through my husband, who doesn't know nearly as much as I do about goats, and therefore cannot answer their questions well, but as long as they bribe me with dates, I don't complain.