Help with a thin goat

CaliannG · #41 10/10/12, 04:50 PM

Keep him inside, in the warm. Put his doeling friend with others so she can have someone to curl up with.

You can put him in REALLY hot water, like just short of being more than you can bear to put your foot in water, and keep him in there until the water is close to your body temps. It should warm him up.

If he can swallow, you can drench him with WARM electrolytes. Heat it up in the microwave until it is the temp of hot tea that you can drink comfortably, then drench him with it. It will warm him up from the inside as well. Add table sugar to the electrolytes to give him a boost.

nod4eight · #42 10/10/12, 04:51 PM

It won't be the first time with goats in the bathroom. We had a calf live in our bathroom for a few weeks last winter, and actually lost her in the house. Should I bring his buddy in too? She is frantic outside right now, looking for him.

CaliannG · #43 10/10/12, 04:53 PM

He has hope, he has a chance. You may be pretty sleepless tonight, but he CAN be saved. He isn't lost until he is completely and utterly dead, dead, dead, with two stages of rigor already. It may be a tough 24 hours ahead, but keep at it.

Get him warm and keep him warm. Oh, and definitely a shot of antibiotics. He needs to be put on a 5 day program of antibiotic to kill whatever is getting him down.

CaliannG · #44 10/10/12, 04:53 PM

If you don't mind her in there with him, she can come in.

CaliannG · #45 10/10/12, 04:57 PM

How old do you think he is? I'm pondering for you, and my thought is that if he is less that 6 or 7 months old, you could bottle feed him warm (nearly hot) whole cow milk to get some food in his system.

I've saved a lot of kids by making sure they spent the night with a belly full of warm milk.

nod4eight · #46 10/10/12, 05:50 PM

CaliannG - my thoughts exactly! As long as there is a pulse or a breat I'm not giving up! Sleepless nights are a part of what I chose to do.

Going by the size of his frame I would put him about 7 months +/- a bit. I have tried to give him a bottle in the past (remember, he was in real bad shape when I got him at the sale barn), but he didn't take to it and since he WAS eating at the time I didn't push the issue. Since he is warmer now, but still well below where he should be at 96, is it too early to get something in his stomach?

What kind of antibiotics would you suggest? We have Nuflor, LA200 and Tylan on hand. And dosage?

CaliannG · #47 10/10/12, 05:58 PM

At his temp, the only thing you can get into his stomach is WARM (110 + degrees) electrolytes with some kind of sugar. Glucose if you have it, is best. But table sugar, corn syrup, molasses, anything really sweet, if you don't.

Hold on, I'm looking up my dosages for Nuflor, which will be the strongest thing to give him.

CaliannG · #48 10/10/12, 06:01 PM

Give him 3 cc once per day, for 5 days. Best to give it SQ. If you give it I.M., do it in the neck.

CaliannG · #49 10/10/12, 06:03 PM

Also, I am sending you a P.M. with my phone number, should you need it. ~smiles~ I am refreshing this page every 2 minutes, and I need to cook dinner.

nod4eight · #50 10/10/12, 06:17 PM

You are the best! I stink at giving SQ shots, but with him there's not a lot of M to IM. Actually kinda funny how things happen - I had never heard of SQ Lac Ringers until yesterday. I have done IV saline bags in cattle before but had never heard of doing it SQ. We currently have 4 bottle calves as well right now and last night I was at last resort for one and tried to SQ with the saline. Gave him 500cc and this morning he was looking better, after several more liters orally he is looking good! Still have a long way to go with him too though. Then today I did the same thing with Stilts. It's amazing how much you learn when your critters are sick!!

Anyway - Stilts just took 12oz electrolytes with corn syrup. Gonna check on the calf and then try to give him more.

CaliannG · #51 10/10/12, 06:24 PM

Once you get back, do you have CMPK oral solution on hand? Lots of folks keep it for cattle. If you do, you can add a half a cup to Stilt's electrolyte/corn syrup solution.

CaliannG · #52 10/10/12, 06:28 PM

Once you get him up and moving, and eating, you'll need to give him probiotics every day too, since he is so thin. The antibiotics will also kill all of the bacteria in his gut (the good ones) that he uses to digest food, as well as killing off the bad ones that are making him sick. The probiotics will replace the stuff that gets killed. If you give him his antibiotic shot at night, give him the probiotics in the morning, or vice versa.

Not something you need to worry about right away, but something to keep in mind as he is recovering.

Has that dang gel made it there yet??? ~grumbles and smiles to show she is teasing~

nod4eight · #53 10/10/12, 06:37 PM

No

no CMPK on hand. How much electrolyte should I give him? Probably a lot more than I think I need to I imagine.

Good call on the probios. I was concerned though, will the antibiotics kill them as fast as I put them in?

And no, the gel is not here (grumble, grumble)

BethW · #54 10/10/12, 07:09 PM

Oh, I'm pulling so hard for him (and for you)!

CaliannG · #55 10/10/12, 07:14 PM

Are you drenching him or is he drinking it? If he is drinking it, as much as he wants. If you are drenching it, try to get 10-20 ounces down him every 2 hours.

Has he tried to pee again yet? How is his temp? You can keep changing the water to keep it hot until you get his temp up.

CaliannG · #56 10/10/12, 07:18 PM

If the antibiotics are strong enough to kill the bad bugs, they are strong enough to kill the good ones. The daily dose of probiotics, given 12 hours before or after the antibiotics, though, should keep him good. Keep giving them for 2 days after you have finished the antibiotic run, though.

For tomorrow: When was the last time he had a coccidiastat? I don't remember now, if it is in the other thread. Also, did you get him wormed? With what, how much, and when?

Tonight we fight for his life....tomorrow we access and fight that which is trying to take it.

CaliannG · #57 10/10/12, 07:20 PM

Ph, and a list of what you have on hand in wormers, coccidiastats, injectable vitamins, etc. We'll see how much we can do with what you have on hand, and whether or not a vet needs to be begged for something else.

Donna1982 · #58 10/10/12, 07:27 PM

I'm sending healing vibes your way. I hope he makes it.

nod4eight · #59 10/10/12, 07:30 PM

You are a champ! Thanks so much.

Answers:
I am syringing into his mouth, but he is swallowing it on his own.
I have not given him a cocci treatment. I have Corid on hand
I have safeguard pellets, morantel tartrate pellets. I also have ivermectin 1.87 (for horses but vet said to give him 2cc per 100#, I gave him 1cc yesterday.)
You know my antibiotics on hand and I have Thiamine Chloride, B-complex, A&D and BoSe and iron.
I also have fresh start, lamb/kid paste, colostrum, toxin binder and nutri-drench

nod4eight · #60 10/10/12, 07:31 PM

Oh, and temp is up to 99 now