Help! Friend was told to feed cows milk from store to infant.

springvalley · #21 10/10/12, 10:58 PM

I would have no problem feeding goats milk to a baby, I also would feed my baby cows milk from the farm, but I would never feed store bought cows milk. Color me silly, but our forefathers did this all the time if moma didn`t have milk. > Thanks marc

springvalley · #22 10/10/12, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Give her this link:

Journal of Applied Genetics, Volume 48, Number 3 - SpringerLink

A1 and A2 casean proteins have been linked to autism, juvenile diabetes, and has even been suggested as a cause for SID. Goat milk does NOT have these proteins!

I find it hard to believe that A1 A2 casean protein had anything to do with autism, diabetes and SIDS. All of these have become more prevalent in the last few decades than they were in the past. In fact a raw milk diet has been proven to reduce diabetes in the human body. I`m not sure if it was just store bought milk used for the testing or not, but I still have a hard time believing this. > Marc

CaliannG · #23 10/10/12, 11:25 PM

Marc, the alpha1 casean protein doesn't occur in the milk of ALL cows. It is a mutation. It is rare that heritage breeds, like Dexters, Guernseys, ect., have it at all.

It is, however, highly prevalent in breeds used for commercial milk production. Nearly all commercial Holsteins carry the gene that causes the production of alpha1 casean proteins in milk, and many standard Jerseys from production lines carry it as well.

And yes, it HAS been positively linked to autism.

Shygal · #24 10/11/12, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

And before I gave him honey, even though I believe that milk and honey are healthy foods. It was just NOT worth the risk!!

Never ever ever ever give a baby under 1 year old, honey. It can give them infant botulism

mrs.H · #25 10/11/12, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by springvalley

I would have no problem feeding goats milk to a baby, I also would feed my baby cows milk from the farm, but I would never feed store bought cows milk. Color me silly, but our forefathers did this all the time if moma didn`t have milk. > Thanks marc

Although I agree with this mostly, the infant mortality rate during those time was very high. This particular baby probably would not have lived a month after birth.

Achievements in Public Health, 1900-1999: Healthier Mothers and Babies
Achievements in Public Health, 1900-1999: Healthier Mothers and Babies

At the beginning of the 20th century, for every 1000 live births, six to nine women in the United States died of pregnancy-related complications, and approximately 100 infants died before age 1 year (1,2). From 1915 through 1997, the infant mortality rate declined greater than 90% to 7.2 per 1000 live births, and from 1900 through 1997, the maternal mortality rate declined almost 99% to less than 0.1 reported death per 1000 live births (7.7 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1997)

Otter · #26 10/11/12, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shygal

Never ever ever ever give a baby under 1 year old, honey. It can give them infant botulism

I chose to wait an extra year, he didn't have it until he was 2, I didn't even cook with it, though I believe it is better for you then sugar.

About the cow's milk, very old books and letters say over and over again that goat's milk is best for infants, invalids and convalescents, as it is easier to digest. Goat's milk was what you got for a baby if you couldn't find a wet nurse.

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Originally Posted by mrs.H

Although I agree with this mostly, the infant mortality rate during those time was very high. This particular baby probably would not have lived a month after birth.

Something a lot of people forget about the "good old days" My son would have died. Simple as that. In fact, even with all today's modern medicine, they gave him a 30% chance of survival, and me a 60% chance. Not that it would have mattered, a hundred years ago I'd have died with my first child anyway.

mrs.H · #27 10/12/12, 10:14 AM

Update on Jonathan from his mom's FB-

"Jonathan just drank 6 ounces in 2 hours time!! Amazed!"

She is tickled! Praying this continues. He gained 3 oz at last Dr. visit. I said, "Is that all?!" I was disapointed, but she said he hadn't gained any weight the previous 2 weeks (before goats milk.) And they were happy that he gained period.

I had told her maybe she should make him 4 oz bottles to make sure he's topped off. If he doesn't finish, well that's ok! I know a guy (goat really) where you can get more! I want to see some chub in those cheeks! Of course she'll probably have to cut his hair once a week once he starts growing.

Heritagefarm · #28 10/12/12, 10:52 AM

The caloric difference between goats and cows milk is not significant. Furthermore, it is most likely higher in Nigerian milk due to the higher butterfat content. Why did the chiropractor (?!) think this?

JBarGFarmKeeper · #29 10/12/12, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

This is one of those things that I wouldn't touch at all. She has a medical person for her child. She is the mother. I wouldn't give her this advice.
It's not that I disagree with you, I don't. I think cows milk is too harsh for babies. But I just wouldn't interfere in another family. You aren't the kid's mom. You aren't his doctor. I just wouldn't touch the issue.

Advice is cheap! I would ABSOLUTELY give her advice. We lost the "do no harm" part of the Hippocratic oath a long time ago. Chemotherapy does harm. C-Sections do harm! The c-section rate in the rest of the world in 5% and here it is over 30%! That is crazy. This is the reason I STAY FAR AWAY from doctors.

She may not be the babies mother, however, we are no better than the doctors espousing wrong information if we hold our tongues of the truth or at least our own experiences. Ultimately, that momma will be responsible for her choices for her son. She should be given the opportunity to make an informed choice.

Stepping down

gabbyraja · #30 10/15/12, 07:29 PM

Here is important info on how to make goat's milk into a healthy formula to make a healthy baby. Goat's milk alone is NOT enough, as it is low in vit B12 and folic acid, both very important nutrients! It also contains little lauric acid (vital for proper immune development), thus the added coconut oil (the oil in small amounts like this is not laxative in nature. I take 2 Tbls or more per day with no ill effects). It is also lacking the beneficial bacteria that is helpful to the human gut, the way breastmilk would have, so adding probiotics is essential for proper gut health, thus immune system development. The acerola is for vitamin C (and some others) and the gelatin is essential for easing the burden on the gut (very calming for the intestines), keratin for healthy joints, hair, nails, muscle growth, skin and protein.

If using egg yolk instead of adding liver to the formula, make sure the chickens are fed soy-free, if possible, as soy is highly allergenic and is definitely detectable in the eggs of soy-fed chickens.

Homemade Baby Formula - Weston A Price Foundation

mrs.H · #31 10/15/12, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gabbyraja

Here is important info on how to make goat's milk into a healthy formula to make a healthy baby. Goat's milk alone is NOT enough, as it is low in vit B12 and folic acid, both very important nutrients! It also contains little lauric acid (vital for proper immune development), thus the added coconut oil (the oil in small amounts like this is not laxative in nature. I take 2 Tbls or more per day with no ill effects). It is also lacking the beneficial bacteria that is helpful to the human gut, the way breastmilk would have, so adding probiotics is essential for proper gut health, thus immune system development. The acerola is for vitamin C (and some others) and the gelatin is essential for easing the burden on the gut (very calming for the intestines), keratin for healthy joints, hair, nails, muscle growth, skin and protein.

If using egg yolk instead of adding liver to the formula, make sure the chickens are fed soy-free, if possible, as soy is highly allergenic and is definitely detectable in the eggs of soy-fed chickens.

Homemade Baby Formula - Weston A Price Foundation

My friend told me she found a web site, it sounds like this one. She was looking into it. Thank you for the link, she couldn't remember it when we were talking.

gabbyraja · #32 10/15/12, 11:15 PM

Sure! If you ever have the time, read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Dr Weston A Price. Fascinating stuff!