Oh, no, I just found this.

HUGS and more HUGS. I will be checking in for updates. The fact that she is TRYING to eat is a GOOD thing, my dear. Most of the big takers-of-our-goats involve a lack of appetite, right? Poor baby, and poor you.

Hugs and best thoughts.

Oh Michele:( I just saw this! Hang in there. Gretta is a tough girl. *smooch*

Oh No, just read this -- poor gretta! (And Minelson!!) I hope she starts feeling better soon!! *hugs*

I would hope he would find something if her jaw was broke. Maybe she has a cracked tooth? The more i read and think the more i think its a tooth issue. Could you get a video of her eating?

Hubby had to leave town this morning...right in the middle of a major meltdown on my part. :(. I think that you are right and I should eat and get some zzzz's now. She seems comfortable. I don't even want to go soen there and wake them up. Just a few hours...

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Everybody just woke up cuz the stupid dogs started barking

OK- I hate to mention this but it is eerily similar. I put a post about a month ago about my horse who wanted to eat but would talk the food into her mouth and it would roll around a bit then come out. I had been worrying about her quidding for quit some time but then this happened.
I don't know what was with her yet but the vet gave her a Dexamethasone shot and by the afternoon she could eat again. I gave her oral Dexamethasone for about 5 days. I still don't feel she is right but she is eating ok since then.
She was getting a mineral mix that was high in selenium that the local vet sells- she had been on it for years. I stopped that but only because I was nervous about it anyway.
I don't want to lead you astray as I have no idea whether it is the same thing- my girl had no coordination problems- she was stressed and a bit hyper but that was all.
I hope Gretta is better fast.

What about listeriosis? Friend of mine had 2 die from it a few months ago. Doe had classic symptoms, buck had questionable symptoms but was confirmed by necropsy.

Minelson I haven't posted yet on this thread but I have been following closely. I am praying for you and Gretta :grouphug:.

Justine

When I've had to give banamine to my goats I was told 1ml per 100 pounds of weight. If the vet gave 1.5 mil. that might be just a little much for such a small goat & brought her temp. down that much.

I've been reading all the posts & I'm wondering if something bit or stung her in the mouth. The tongue swelling & her not being able to swallow could be a sign that she can't feel to swallow or her throat also swollen inside.
I wonder if you could give her a the powder from a couple benedryl capsules & see if that doesn't help her eat?

I would keep up on the Nuflor from the vet, probios & the vitamine B Complex daily. It does sound kinda like she's having an allergic reaction to something though but I could be way off.

Keeping you & Gretta in my thoughts tonight. If you can't sleep you can call, won't matter if you wake me I don't sleep good most of the time anyways.

Wish I had more ideas but I'll keep thinking.

I have been reading along here too.
I feel like I know Gretta (all your critters really) from reading all these years.

She CAN swallow though, otherwise she would be drooling and foaming, right?
That has been my experience with swollen throats due to injury or swollen bites.

My concern is is she drinking water? That dehydration can really tear down an animal.
Honestly, she has enough (ahem) reserves on her for a few days, but she needs to keep hydrated until you can get this ironed out.

It seems most likely related to the chewing issue she has been having recently.

Another thing noone has mentioned is hardware. :(
So many ways that can present. I hope not though.


No real help from me, I know.
Add me to the pool of people rooting for you and Gretta.

More hugs from Missouri.

I just looked and the vet I went to yesterday is open Saturdays until noon! They open at 7:30 I just assumed that they would be closed today.

How is Gretta this morning?

The vet seriously doesn't think it is tetanus but does have the anti toxin.
She is scheduled to be knocked out on Tues to see what is going in there. I am scared to death!
Today I will give her the Quest/red cell/banamine. I will make sure she is not dehydrated and make her some more gruel. I don't know why this is making me cry but it is. I feel like such a cry baby...I never used to cry so easily. :(

Your baby is sick and you don't understand why. I cried like a baby when Ali was sick. The little boogers just insinuate their ways into your heart. It's okay. Cry away. No one here is going to think less of you. Big Love for you and Gretta.

Minelson, don't worry I heard all the same things, however, when my Gherkin (the one in the pictures in the thread with Frankie talking about "leaning" goats) broke her leg, my vet said he had to give her something to put her out while he set the leg. I was concerned like you. He assured me that whatever it was he was giving (Caliann probably knows, but I can remember) he had something else that was the "reversal" of it and that if anything went wrong he could get it to her at anytime. He used the same stuff a couple years ago when he was wethering an older buck kid (like a yearling). Anyway, he said she was not like totally out, just enough not to fight.

He told my daughter to hold on to her, gave her the shot and she just crumpled right there. He gave her the reversal when he was finished she was up and walking in just a minute...a little "drunk" but she was ready to go home!

I imagine Gretta will come through with FLYING COLORS! Hang in there...:spinsmiley:

Have you started a diary? If not start it today. Write down her symptoms, what you feed her, what she drinks, if you see her poop, chew on a cud, walk, stumble and any medications that u give her.

You are crying because you feel frustrated, helpless. You are being a good Mom. :)

How's she doing this morning? Any sign of even a little improvement? Don't feel like a cry baby, I cry all the time too & especially if one of my animals is really sick.

She looked all bright eyed this morning and chewing her cud. She got up and walked outside just fine...all normal. I gave her a bowl of soaked alf pellets. She went right for it and ate some, able to swallow, then started rubbing her lips on the side of the barn. Did that 3 times. Then she started shaking again.
She is not dehydrated. I am making her some warm water with a touch of molasses in it. I will get everything organzied and written down this morning.

Why don't you rub some benadryl gel around her lips. I don't think that there would be a negative to it - maybe she is just allergic to something.

I shake if I get hot or dehydrated or upset or tired or . . .

Her is the video from last night
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She guzzled the warm molasses water. Then I gave her 1cc of Banamine. She seemed wobbly after that. I think all those poking and prodding is wearing on her. . She is laying in the shade now next to my truck.

I'm glad you said she drank because in your video her eyes look sunk in to me. I would have been concerned by that.

This worked like a charm!:clap: She ate at least a cup of the mixture. I used Mare and Foal pellets, I have been feeding her a handful a day trying to get weight on her so she is used to it. I added just a bit of molasses and probios. I was able to make soup out of it using the boiling water. She really liked it and the other goofballs were not that interested so it was easy to just stand there and watch her eat. This gets more fluids into her also.

Question...Should I make a fresh batch every time or will what she left behind "keep" for a while?

Minelson, at this point I would just make a bit less for her and waste the rest. It will be much more appealing freshly made. You don't need to take even the SLIGHTEST chance with her feed right now!! Very good thought giving her soup. :)

I don't have anything new to add - BUT - if you do end up using epsom salts, remember they are a remedy for constipation so she might get the runs if you use them.

Is she eliminating properly?

Im also going to suggest you get in touch with Coni Ross via Facebook - that woman knows EVERYTHING about goats, if she cant help you, I doubt anyone can.

Hmmm, you are in South Dakota.... not heavy on the mold spores this time of year...

Kind of hard to choose. Down here, I would make a fresh batch every time. But it is still in the 90's here, and bugs are a problem. Leaving it out all day would ensure that it was full of ants and flies. So, for me, at least, I would just feed any leftovers to the chickens and make a fresh batch.

I make mashes for the animals when it is really cold too, so you might want to remember it for your winter. Nothing a horse or a goat likes better than to come in to the barn at the end of a freezing, blustery day to a nice, hot mash!

By just adding enough boiling water to cover it, it will come out about the consistency of oatmeal, too.

I am glad she is doing so much better today. Also, being put under is NOT such a fright. Cypress had to be put under for that major surgery she had in May, and when the reversal was applied, she came out of it just fine. :) Like Gena, I don't remember the name of the stuff either. ~sighs~ It is a brainless day for me.

Has she always done that licking thing? Could she have cut her tongue on something? Poor baby and poor you. I know how much they mean to you.

Does she have any swelling inside or around her lips? Like a spider bite? Started reading this then skipped to the end. With the rubbing of nose and licking makes me wonder if she did get bit or stung.

No she has not always done that licking thing. It's definitely a symptom of whatever is going on. There is no obvious swelling anywhere. I just fed her the "soup" again and she went to town on it and then drank some water. She did the excessive licking and rubbed her mouth on my truck during that meal...I think this batch was a little thicker.

Maybe she has something up her nose. If she did and it became infected or even so full of snot from it being blocked it could be causing the dizziness and eye thing. If you've ever had a serious sinus infection you know your teeth hurt, it hurts to swallow and you get dizzy from all of the pressure. Have you tried palpating her nose from the muzzle to the eyes to see if she's extra sensitive there? Make sure you mention the licking to the vet.

Maybe she'll blow if you ask her nice. Or she could eat the Kleenex like mine would.

I'm sure she would eat a kleenex if I offered her one lol!!
She never had any "eye issues" her eyes have been normal all along. I think she toppled over from weakness and having the fever. But I just made a note to have the vet check her nose too. :)

Did the vet look inside of her nose? Could she have run a thorn or a tiny stick up inside her nose? With all the licking she was doing and with you saying she was wiping her mouth on something makes me think she might have something in there. If it has been there for awhile it could have set up an infection. If the floor of her nose was swollen and hurt she wouldn't want to eat. Just something I was thinking about watching my goats eat today.

Sorry andabigmac. Didn't see your post. I guess great minds think alike.

I'm very glad to read that you got her to eat and drink a bit. I can hardly wait to hear what the vet finds out...poor Minelson AND poor Gretta!

This really started many months ago when I noticed her tongue was always sticking out a bit. Then I noticed weight loss. But we had pregos Mama-D (mini donk) that lives with the goats and she was on a strict diet and only let out half the day and treats got cut waaaay back for everyone. (you can't not give everyone a treat when giving treats). But the weight loss was nagging at me so I took her in to get her teeth checked. He really got a good look that day. I held her by the horns and he used a flashlight to look. He couldn't find anything wrong except that she has a pretty severe under bite. Like the lower front teeth were starting to lean outward and not lining up properly to the pad on top. He said that is from age. That would explain why her tongue was peeking out, teeth not holding it in as well. Also why she can't eat as fast and cause some weight loss. But he thought she was in perfect condition at the time. Only fix would be braces. So I thought everything was fine and dandy. She is just getting older. I started getting this nagging feeling again that something is off with her. She just feels so boney. As a matter of fact the night before this part started I woke up in the middle of the night and I was thinking about her...worried. Started thinking about what if she dies...what would Frankie and Flossie do without her. What would I do without her. That's when I started crying. Then the following morning she was scrambling to get outside, tumbled over, and started shaking. That's it..posted here, didn't get an answer in half a second, put her in the truck and flew to the vet.

At the vet clinic where I work, it is common for a dog to rub his/her face on the carpet when there are teeth issues. They can be itchy to them. Excessive licking too. It is also very hard to find problems sometimes until they are sedated and you start poking around in there. The antibiotic may be shrinking the infection a bit and that causes itching also. I really think we are dealing with a bum tooth or teeth.
Ok...while typing this one of my dogs started puking in the living room. Never. a. dull. moment.

Have you tried Benadryl? Maybe she is allergic to something? When you have an allergic reaction sometimes your mouth is tingly or numb. I have never seen a goat who licks constantly.

Don't have any wisdom to add, but hoping for the best outcome. Chin up Minelson, you're doing a great job looking after her while you work on the problem.

Ok...the plot thickens. I took Frog Tacos advice and called that woman Coni. Her knowledge blew me away. She thinks that Gretta has an abcess in her throat between the esophagus and windpipe. She said she has experience with this and when they can not swallow anything but fluids that is what it is. Nothing with the teeth. She said I need an ultra sound done to see where/if the abcess is. She sounded very confident with her diagnosis. She was so friendly! So I just went out and gave everyone a cracker. Gretta ate it like normal and swallowed it like normal. >sigh< which is good but leads me to more questions. I called her back and told her Gretta swallowed the cracker that she couldn't swallow yesterday. She said the Nuflor is working then and might be all she needs to get rid of whatever is obstructing her from getting solids down. She still does not think it's the teeth. She said I should continue with the nuflor daily for 5 days. I don't have any :( the vet said it was a 4 day dose and to get more on Monday if she is not better. So I need to get some more Nuflor now. Dej-a-voo from last night looking for the tetanus antitoxin! GRRRRRRRRRR.......I know we don't have Nuflor at our clinic. Feed store has Biomycin and PenG and that is it.