Oh healing thoughts your way. I feel for you and Gretta.

I always did 1 cc per 100 lbs too for banamine. I will say though mom's farm help ended up giving a 20 lb baby a 1 cc and it didn't pass away so maybe it is not that easy to overdose?

Get better soon Gretta.

There were no leaves on it. It was deader than dead. Right now She and Frankie and Flossie are laying in the sun by one of the logs. I'm soaking pellets. I can NOT believe it's already after 4 pm! Where did the day go!
It's supposed to get cold tonight so I put extra bedding in the stall for them so hopefully she will stay warm enough.

Oatmeal sounds great, a dab of molasses in it & maybe a small handful raisins?
Love U hugs to both you & Gretta.

Maybe that is why her temp dropped so low. Maybe I should only give her 1 cc tomorrow and the next day.

Something is really wrong here and I'm starting to freak again. She can not eat. I had some alone time with her and brought out a soft piece of bread with creamy peanut butter on it. She acted like she was starving. took a big piece, rolled it around in her mouth and let it drop out. Immeadiately went for another bite but I gave her just a little piece...same thing. She was licking the peanut butter off my fingers. She is hungry which is a good sign but she can't eat! I think I need a different vet. Not because of anything the vet today did wrong. I just need someone to take me more seriously. This is livestock land and the vets are good, practical, inexpensive. But when it comes to something abnormal (that all MY animals and hubby seem to be) I'm wondering if I can take another route come Monday. Maybe a university. I have no clue where to begin with that (Callianne?)She is breathing normal and seems comfortable when she is not trying to eat. Is this an emergency or do I have time to find a better vet. I am terrified of putting her under. Is that irrational? I am scared that there might be a stick stuck in her throat or something. We didn't have leaves with the big tree we took down but we sure have sticks! Rocky keeps chewing on them and throwing them up on my living room rug. He literally eats the sticks ugh! Dear Lord I hope she doesn't have an obstruction! :( :(
The vet did check her throat, chin mouth from the outside very thouroghly. And he really got a good look inside and did the best he could to look inside and at the back teeth. I'm a vet tech. I'm used to tough situations...this was really hard to hold her and have him look. If she were a dog at our clinic we would have sedated before moving forward. He said that usually swelling will appear on the outside with and infection. She is smooth and fine.

Here are some pics..
She is laying next to the tractor and everyone else is out eating..
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Continued prayers for Gretta. Hope you get it figured out.

Can she swallow the peanut butter when she licks it off your fingers? If she isn't eating at all, I think I would try to find another vet before Monday.

Praying she feels better soon! I agree with OBF, she needs to eat! I was even thinking maybe some yogurt? It would be hard to spit that back out I'd think. Is she drinking water?

I think you need to get her sedated and REALLY inspected down her throat. Even if there's not a stick or other object stuck in there, perhaps one dislodged and maybe injured the soft tissue. Hate to urge you to take her back whether to the same vet or a new one, but I think your vet missed something. Edited to add, well, obviously your vet missed something. But I'm thinking injury or obstruction rather than illness, my hunch anyway.

Soak the alfalfa pellets in warm water and put them in the blendar to make an alfala smoothy. Syringe it down little by little. I would NOT do a bowl of oatmeal as you can certainly cause enterotoxemia. If she is not used to eating a bowl of oatmeal now is not the time to try it.

I would still do the CDT antitoxin, the Vit B injections and the antibiotics because they won't hurt and they might keep something else form popping up. Also take a flash light and look in her mouth yourself maybe you'll spot something the vet didn't see. Remember the Vit B will cause her to want to eat.

I just made her a mash and she got maybe a half-3/4 cup in. Soaked alf hand mashed. With soaked saltines with Repliman. Added a bit of molasses and Probios. Ther is something wrong with her mouth. But she did get a fair amount down. I just don't want to screw up her rumen! But I don't think she can eat hay or browse. And after she gets it down she rubs her lips on whatever is closest. Maybe sh got bit by something? This is going all over the place!

Kris..I did the CD anti toxin...20 cc's Do I need to do more?

She just tried to eat some saltines with Repliman on them (Friday is Repliman day here) She sucked on them a bit and then they fell out. I guess I'll drive to town and get some yogurt...should I get anything else??

Oh my...don't follow MY advice until someone else chimes in. I don't feel that experienced...was just telling you what I would probably do :)

I'm glad you something in her!

I was thinking some yogurt would be good anyway...cuz of the anti biotics. I'ts just such a fine line becuz I don't want to mess up her rumen. She is used to pasture and browse. How do you liquify that? Grrrr..I know she needs to eat. :Bawling::Bawling:

~sighs~ What a day to be all day at my mothers!

Okay, from what I understand, she can swallow, she just cannot chew, correct?

Do you have Tetanus anti-toxin on hand, and/or did your vet check for that? An amazing amount of things can cause tetanus, and one of the first signs is stiffness of the jaw, making it hard for her to chew.

If you have grain, like oats and such, you can make a mash by taking a cup of grain, adding a bit of molasses or other sweetener, and pouring boiling water on it. Then let it steep until it is cool enough to eat.

No...no tetanus antitoxin just CD antitoxin which she got 20 ccc's of earlier.

I think she is having trouble swallowing too. Maybe I can get a video... I wanna check on her anyway

Dang, and it is late. Is there any stiffness whatsoever of any of her joints? Back legs? She has the temp drop, and trouble eating.....

Is there any place you can get tetanus antitoxin? If it is tetanus, the Nuflor will take care of the bacteria causing the problem, but the toxins they release are still an issue.

Could she have a foxtail wedged in her mouth or throat? They're in full seed head stage here. They are little and annoying and could have worked their way into the tissue. Possibly the vet missed it because it wasn't that swollen yet.

Okay, no tetanus antitoxin on hand, but you have banamine, which you have given her and that has dropped the fever. Do you have Epsom Salt on hand? An Epsom Salt drench (1/8th cup Epsom Salt to 1 cup water) can relieve the spasms and stiffening associated with tetanus * temporarily*.

She needs to have tetanus antitoxin by tomorrow morning, no later. Can that be done?

by chance do you have clove powder? it numbs the mouth without doing the gaggy thing orajel does perhaps that could be a way to eliminate something. You should be able to feel along the outer jowl line for any rough edges, the inside is not so easy.
Ive been watching this all day trying to figure out what it can be. If Goat medicine book will help lmk.

That's right.

She can swallow. She seems to have problems "maneuvering" what is in her mouth. She got down about a 1/3 cup of mashed alf pellets. Yes she does seem stiff but she always has. I don't think we have tetnus antitoxin at the vet where I work...but I will call their cell and ask in case I just never noticed. I'm sure it would be expired..but better than nothing. Plan B would be to call the vet I went to today and ask him for it. That would be an after hours deal so I will try my vet first. What is the dosage??

gosh darn it...everything is closed now! I need Tentenus Anti toxin...

Thank you!

I get my tetanus antitoxin at TSC...do you have one of those close by?

No...But I need to make some quick calls

Tractor Supply has 2 5 Mil Tanks.. Equine Origin. Is that what I need. They close in 1/2 hour so I can't make it there tonight. How much should I give?

Give all of it. Every drop. And get more bottles. You *need* this on hand.

Thinking about this. Is her tongue swollen? Lips swollen? Any sores anywhere on or around her mouth?

At the vet nothing was swollen or sore. Her tongue does look swollen to me, but that may be because she is jirating it .

Temp is 102. She seems content and is nibbling on hay. The soonest I can get the tetanus anti toxin is tomorow morning. Unless we have some at my vet clinic that I don't know about and my boss calls me back tonight. He is out of town.

I thought I had it all and had it covered. I have a MASSIVE medicine cabinet for the animals. I work at a vet so I get things easily and stock up. The one thing...the ONE THING! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........... :(

Add it to your must have for your goat med kit. You might never have need for it, and every year, you may have to throw out a bottle that is unused and buy a new one. But MAN, if you need it, absolutely nothing can replace it.

Watch her tonight. If she starts having twitches or spasms that increase in frequency and strength, drench her with Epsom salt in water.

I may be wrong and she will be fine in the morning. I hope so. You know how difficult it is to diagnose when you can't feel the dear critter. Her symptoms, however, match tetanus. ~sighs~

Ok...that is the plan. I shall make a pot of coffee...I am in zombie land. what a day!

I do have epsoms salts and will get that ready in case I need to use.

Hang in there! I'm sorry you are going through this :(

Could her jaw be broke? My first LaMancha buck louie had his jaw broke and he acted the same way.

I thought the same thing...because she is in with Mama-D and her baby now. Maybe something happened. But now that I think of it...I have been wondering about her mouth for a few months now. That is why I took her in to have her teeth checked. So maybe it is not tetanus and she need a major floating. But that would scare the crap out of me to put her under:Bawling:What if she didn't wake up? What would Frankie and Flossie do without their mama? It makes me sick. the vet this morning really checked her jaw and would have felt if something were broken...I hope! Jeepers. I would think that I would notice that also. this may be related to my previous concerns about her teeth. Maybe it's not tetanus. But I will still treat her for that just in case. My boss (vet) just called. We have no tetanus antitoxin in the house :( So I will get up early and drive to Sioux Suck Falls and get it.

Could they just sedate her enough to make her drowsy/sleepy? Can you have bloodwork done to make sure heart,etc. are ok before sedating? Our vet does this before any cats or dogs are sedated (for an extra fee).

I hope it's something as simple as a loose tooth, or one that just needs a easy filing.

If she's comfy & resting - get yourself some rest! Even just a cat nap. Can your hubby take a shift watching?

Could you put her on camera & have everyone here take a shift?