New Goats Question

finnsheep · #21 09/05/12, 01:26 PM

I *think* Corid is fine to use for goats, but DO NOT quote me on that one. I do know it's fine for sheep. There's a five day or something drench knockout program and a longer-term program. I have never had an issue with coccidia in my goats so I cannot answer that based on experience. All sheep have some coccidia, but I don't know if that is the case with goats. (I really need to read some good veterinary books instead of studying all day.

But I need to study all day so I can get the grades needed to go out and read veterinary books all day, and study those full time for four years. Alas.)

Do they have a fever? I don't think you need an antibiotic, personally, though I am having a hard time reading this thread (lots of topics to cover!) and maybe I missed it. If they have a fever, it could point to a bacterial infection...as for the abscesses, be sure to express the pus and rinse it out with peroxide (or my favorite, diluted iodine). Do this carefully so as to not contaminate the area or other goats. Probably you won't need an antibiotic to deal with the abscesses, especially if they were from injection sites.

I'm wondering if they are having gut trouble if it would be smart to give them antibiotic anyway (especially if the evidence is not so strong that they need it), as that will harm the digestive flora to an extent. If you need it, use it, of course, and make sure you use a high dose to be effective. Pen G makes the most sense to me if you are dealing with Pasteurella,which it does sound like. I like giving Probios to anything receiving antibiotics. But I don't think you need antibiotics based on what I have been reading here.

I second the comment about testing any more abscesses should they form.

I'm sorry you don't have a large animal goat-friendly vet to consult (may you find one soon- he/she will come in very handy over your goat-keeping years) as that would make this easier. Oh dear- you have a lot to deal with right now but you are trying to get on the right track.

Wishing you the very best.

FrogTacos · #22 09/05/12, 01:40 PM

I have had 3 babies with Coccidia - all 3 were successfully treated with Corid.

3cc Corid mixed with 16cc water - given 2cc of that mix daily for 5 days. Lots of local goat folks use it, also without problems.

CaliannG · #23 09/05/12, 01:50 PM

~hugs~ It's a lot on your plate right now!

Yes, you can use the Corid on goats, at the recommended dosage. Since your vet didn't give you any help, hardly, except let you know what you are dealing with, here is a suggestion/plan to get you through:

1. Use the Corid. It could take a week or so to get a shipment from Canada. Even rush shipments sometimes get held over at the border.

2. Your feed store should have injectable B-Complex available over-the-counter. Give them the manufacturer's recommended dosage, which should be on the bottle. Get syringes and needles from the feed store also. Needles should be 20 or 22 gauge, and any length is fine. (My vet always gives me single dose stuff with an 18 gauge needle attached, so I always change it out to a 20 or 22 gauge. An 18 gauge is too big and will leave them bleeding out the medication you are trying to give them.)

3. Also give them the Cydectin for the round worms. Dose at twice the recommended dosage for cattle by weight, but give it to them ORALLY. Just squirt it in their mouth. Repeat the treatment in 10 days.

4. When your Baycox arrives, give it at the recommended dosage by weight on the bottle and discontinue the Corid. Repeat the Baycox treatment in 21 days.

I know this sounds like so much, but I promise you that it will be easier once they are back on their feet and doing well. Also, you will HAVE the stuff on hand to treat any problems should they arise in the future.

I am so sorry that you are getting hit with this all at once, and when you are new! I wish you had a good, solid, Fairy Goatmother locally to help you out. We will do our best for you, though.

Oh, no need for antibiotics. Neither parasites nor coccidia respond to antibiotics. If you start noticing a fever, nasal discharge, and other signs of respiratory infection, though, do not hesitate.

passionfleur · #24 09/05/12, 04:05 PM

Thank you so much! It seems like a lot of stuff to take on at once, but I hopefully it should level out soon. I already treated them both, so *fingers crossed* to getting them back to normal. Lol, I wish I had a good Fairy Goatmother around here, you don't find a lot of people in my town that have any knowledge on goats. Mostly it's just cattle.

Thanks for being so kind to help me everybody!

CaliannG · #25 09/05/12, 04:20 PM

~grinz~ We have ulterior motives! You see, we want you to have happy, healthy, fine goats.....so you will have cravings for MORE happy, healthy, fine goats. You will end up buying goats from us, feeding your growing addiction...then, you will have a whole HERD of happy, healthy fine goats, and we will buy from YOU to feed OUR addiction.

It will be and endless, viscous cycle of beautiful goats! But....we have to start you off right, because if something bad happens to these goats, you might get discouraged and give up before the full addiction has set in. So we help you out. It is all a part of our evil plan.

Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

passionfleur · #26 09/05/12, 04:50 PM

Lol. Well, I think I'm already addicted

I might have to get a whole nother house with more pasture to feed my new addiction. I'm gonna have to find someone rich to marry now

CaliannG · #27 09/05/12, 04:53 PM

There was a song about it being just as easy to love a rich man. LOL

**mygoat** · #28 09/05/12, 05:04 PM

The Cydectin dose I use for the 'Cattle Pour-on' is 1cc per 22lbs bodyweight. Quest horse deworm gel is the same drug, but 4x stronger - so it's dosage is 1cc per 100lbs.

Quest might be easier to find locally, and is cost effective esp for smaller raisers.

Baycox dosage is 1cc per 5lbs bw, given ONCE. (other drugs for coccidia are often given for at least 5 days in a row, once per day). Withdrawal time is 70 days, just as a future FYI.

I consider Corid as more of a preventative rather than a treatment, but if you have nothing else, by all means use what you have available. It is a coccidistat, meaning it retards the growth/maturation of the protozoan oocysts to the adult 'damaging' lifestage. This is great for building natural immunity to the parasite, but is not a 'fast' treatment in a serious situation. Similar drugs include feed throughs of Deccox (deoquinate-sp?) and others found in medicated feeds.

Rumensin is another drug found in medicated feeds, but is most effectively used to feed adult herds where offspring will be raised by the parent. The adults will shed less cocci into the environment, and therefore less will be available for the offspring to be exposed to in the environment.

Baycox (toltrazuril), Albon/Dimethox (Sulfadimethoxine) are coccidicides, which kill Coccidia at one lifestage or another - or all lifestages, in the case of toltrazuril.

passionfleur · #29 09/05/12, 05:42 PM

CaliannG-I'm sure it can't be too bad...

Money can't buy you happiness, but it sure can buy you a nice little herd of goats

Lol, we're having too much fun...

mygoat-I've heard people go back and forth about Corid, being either really good or not doing a darn thing. Hopefully I'll get the toltrazuril in soon enough.

I also thought about possibly giving them some pepto bismol and probios like a couple people suggested. Would that doing anything or is that just money down the drain?

CaliannG · #30 09/05/12, 05:47 PM

Pepto will help with acidosis, if they are experiencing that due to worm load. Probios helps replace needed gut flora (those protozoa and bacteria that ferment their food and supply them with nutrients), which is especially handy if they have been given antibiotics.

Since I use the Replamin Plus gel weekly for their minerals, I don't worry about probios...the stuff already contains them. But if you have given them antibiotics of any kind, it will help boost their nutrients.

passionfleur · #31 09/05/12, 05:52 PM

Thank you

I haven't given them any antibiotics and don't think I plan to anytime soon, hopefully. My doe that had the scours is now getting a tad bit better, her poop is more like a pine cone in appearance than brownie batter. I guess that's progress...

CaliannG · #32 09/05/12, 06:06 PM

Anything that keeps her from dehydrating is progress.....so yes, that is progress.

Cannon_Farms · #33 09/05/12, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by passionfleur

Thank you

I haven't given them any antibiotics and don't think I plan to anytime soon, hopefully. My doe that had the scours is now getting a tad bit better, her poop is more like a pine cone in appearance than brownie batter. I guess that's progress...

I dont know where your at in N Ga but if you are near enough and ever need any emergency meds I would be glad to help, I keep a full arsenal of anything and everything.

passionfleur · #34 09/05/12, 07:20 PM

Cannon_Farms- That would be awesome! I live it Cleveland, like 15 minutes from Helen and Clarkesville. 30 minutes, give or take a little from Dawsonville, Gainesville and Dahlonega. I don't know exactly how far Monroe is from here.

Cannon_Farms · #35 09/05/12, 08:10 PM

its a drive but if you ever want to make a day trip and learn to do simple things if you dont already such as hoof trimming, pulling blood, milking ect just let me know.

passionfleur · #36 09/05/12, 09:06 PM

I looked it up on MapQuest, it's really not all that far. I'm only about an hour and a half away from you, not bad at all. I already know how to basically trim their hooves, but wouldn't mind making sure I'm doing it correctly. I really would like to learn how to pull blood, I think it could save me a good bit in vet costs and up here good larger animal vets seem hard to come by. Do you have any good recommendations on goat vets?

I can PM you my contact info too.