I want a 600lb goat.... - Page 2

Cliff · #31 08/27/12, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

Seems they have a "goat show" every year there. All sorts of competitions, including milk production, etc. But the big show is the Champion of SIZE, and those are some BIG GOATS!

The breed is from India, and is called a Jamunapari. Those roman noses and floppy ears on both Nubians and Boers? You can thank the Jamunapari hanging out in the woodpile.

Oh, but nothing beats the purebreds for sheer SIZE!

And I WANT some! ~ponders~ How much would it cost me to import a herd of Jamunapari from India, do ya think?

DH is talking with the Director of Ag and Livestock Sciences at the University of Faisalabad in Pakistan, asking questions about importing semen straws.

What would you impregnate with the semen? I'd be afraid the kids would be too big for even my biggest does.

Shayanna · #32 08/27/12, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

I wonder how our goats would do on browse, some barley, and no minerals, supplements, wormers, or anything else?

My husband and I were just talking about this. Brings you back to the old days, doesn't it? Goats and sheep and livestock never used to be raised on all of that stuff. Shepherds just rotated pastures and culled anything diseased. They didn't do bad did they?

Alice In TX/MO · #33 08/27/12, 08:33 AM

They didn't have the goats that we have now, bred for high production. It just depends on your goals for your herd.

wolffeathers · #34 08/27/12, 08:41 AM

Also, there is a difference between optimal condition and surviving.

When I googled Jamunapari, I saw a lot of goats that were "surviving" under their management practices.

Many animals can survive and reproduce in poor environments. Breed young, do the best they can on what they have and then die young. The animal as a species "survives" but the individual has a very short life span.

silverseeds · #35 08/27/12, 09:14 AM

I thought they looked kinda neat actually. But I like tiny goats myself.

Cliff · #36 08/27/12, 10:03 AM

Just imagine how much trouble a goat that size could cause

I think I'd be scared to own one.

wolffeathers · #37 08/27/12, 10:04 AM

I want some. *tehe*

Immaculate Sublimity · #38 08/27/12, 10:09 AM

the Jamunapari on google images dont look even remotely as nice as the ones in the video... and I'd really have to wonder if that seriously undershot jaw has something to do with that... how do they even eat?!

LoneStrChic23 · #39 08/27/12, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Immaculate Sublimity

the Jamunapari on google images dont look even remotely as nice as the ones in the video... and I'd really have to wonder if that seriously undershot jaw has something to do with that... how do they even eat?!

Hey, at least they aren't as bad as these goats:
Ugly Overload: Sock Puppet Goats

wintrrwolf · #40 08/27/12, 10:28 AM

Dang and I thought Pearl had some long ears...But she is way prettier

andabigmac · #41 08/27/12, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStrChic23

Hey, at least they aren't as bad as these goats:
Ugly Overload: Sock Puppet Goats

Wow. Just...wow. Star Wars Cantina ugly indeed.

copperkid3 · #42 08/27/12, 10:55 AM

They look like great danes with hooves!

blujenes · #43 08/27/12, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStrChic23

Hey, at least they aren't as bad as these goats:
Ugly Overload: Sock Puppet Goats

I think I might have nightmares now....

wolffeathers · #44 08/27/12, 12:25 PM

If they are not the same breed, they are very closely related. I have seen pictures that are extreme/poor examples of each. Such as faces that are so extreme they cannot keep their tongue in their mouth.

CaliannG · #45 08/27/12, 01:08 PM

In Pakistan, they breed heavily for that undershot jaw. That is for their "show stock", and it is to the point that ads of Jamunapari for sale will list the number of teeth. (I think the EXTREME undershot jaw is a mutation with fewer teeth?) The Jamunapari that you see in the villages in India, or the rural villages in Pakistan, don't have the undershot jaw like that.

DH was researching more about them this morning, and it seems that the super long ears, the SLIGHTLY undershot jaw (as shown in the village pictures) and the neck flap are a parasite resistance adaptation in the breed. Given decent room and browse (not just "surviving"), they won't browse anything lower than where their ears touch the ground. The neck flap and jaw also prevents them from grazing or browsing AT the ground.

Since parasites gather at 3' or less from the ground, and these goats are touted for their excellent parasite resistance...well, I find it amusing. They aren't *actually* more parasite resistance than other breeds, they are just physiologically adapted to not graze/browse the parts that have the most parasites.

The rural examples don't come close to getting the size of the show stock, so a lot of that is very careful feeding and maintenance, which they get from the very day they are weaned. The show stock (with their extreme jaws) don't HAVE to graze or browse...they get their food brought to them, chopped into little bits for them, and sometimes even spiced for their liking.

mekasmom · #46 08/27/12, 01:24 PM

The spotted boy in that Youtube video is just beautiful. I wonder how much milk one would give a day? They have to be a meat breed though. Wow.

wolffeathers · #47 08/27/12, 01:51 PM

So, Caliann, when can we expect the first US Jamunapari percentages? (I say use the straws on large nubians.

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I like the nubians with a nice roman nose and those tall legs. I wonder if they would cross nicely into the nubians. I'm not a fan of the "extreme" or dysfunctional undershot jaw, but I would imagine they may cross nicely and exaggerate features we like in our nubians. Big, roman nosed, and basset ears! That's what I would do anyway.

goatlady · #48 08/27/12, 02:22 PM

Discounting those spots, that breed is quite similar to the South African Boer breed. I had a 1/2 Boer buck/Saanan who topped out at 450#, had horns curled back and out almost 2', and was sooo gentle with me AND the does. He would "COURT them for a day or more before mounting and was a totally nonthreatening "daddy." I'm 5'6" and his shoulders would just fit underneath my armpit. When he reared up in play he was a good 7' tall and magnificent!!! Never broke a fence, never harmed any other goat or other animal, totally non-aggressive. I LOVE the Boer-Nubin cross - good milk and good meat. Always had a waiting list for his kids.

mekasmom · #49 08/27/12, 04:07 PM

More people seek to like the Boer/nubie cross rather than either one alone.

Minelson · #50 08/27/12, 04:53 PM

I don't like them. I don't think the babies are even cute. But there was a time when I didn't like Lamanchas either lol!!

andabigmac · #51 08/27/12, 05:17 PM

I wonder if you could buy embryos? But, once again, what to implant them into? Did you happen to research an average birth weight?

tinknal · #52 08/27/12, 05:57 PM

I spent 2 years on a ranch on the Crow reservation in Montana. A tribal member had a 40 acre farmstead in the middle of the ranch. He had 4 of the largest buck goats I have ever seen. They were the size of welsh ponies. You could smell them from a half mile away and it was a fight to get a horse to ride near the place, they hated the smell too.

wolffeathers · #53 08/27/12, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

I spent 2 years on a ranch on the Crow reservation in Montana. A tribal member had a 40 acre farmstead in the middle of the ranch. He had 4 of the largest buck goats I have ever seen. They were the size of welsh ponies. You could smell them from a half mile away and it was a fight to get a horse to ride near the place, they hated the smell too.

What breed were they?

goatlady · #54 08/27/12, 06:39 PM

It's the only way I can tolerate Nubians! The Boer crossing seems to take out the vocalness of the Nubians and they seem to stay quiet! Also the Nubians have the bigger bone structure to handle the birthing and contribute those genes to the bone structure of the Boer line.

CaliannG · #55 08/27/12, 09:25 PM

Actually, you can thank the Jamunapari for your Nubian's long ears and Roman nose. The Jamunapari was the main, genetic contributor to the Anglo-Nubian breed. The "Indian" goat that was imported to England that was the first "exotic" buck to form the breed, was a Jamunapari. Even the Chitril goats of Pakistan (another part of the Anglo-Nubian heritage) are indistinguishable from the Jamunapari, and are considered, basically, the same animal.

So, the two largest influences on the Nubian breed were Jamunapari.

~grinz~ Which means, if I can manage to get semen straws in, which depends upon if they DO that over there, and how fast shipping could occur (the transport Nitro tank is only good for 5 days), I would use Nubian does.

The Boer goats can thank the Jamunapari for their Roman noses, long ears, wrinkled necks, and fast weight gain. They get their short frame and coloring, however, from their African ancestors.

Ford Zoo · #56 08/28/12, 07:00 AM

I hope you can get some straws Caliann! I saw pictures of these awhile back but couldn't find any info on them. It all sounds exciting to me! I can just picture a pasture full of them, and imagine what they could do with our management practices!

tinknal · #57 08/28/12, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wolffeathers

What breed were they?

Big-arsed old goats................. LOL!

I have no idea, I wasn't much into goats back then, especially those goats.

gracie88 · #58 08/28/12, 10:11 AM

Boy, you could stash a lot of goaty evil in those ears. I think I feel safer with my LaManchas. That being said, if one of those babies showed up on my doorstep, I probably wouldn't send it away.

KSALguy · #59 08/28/12, 04:12 PM

i want some, lol, if you are able to get some straws imported i think that would AWESOME<

RamblinRoseRanc · #60 08/28/12, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliannG

With a punched-in, Roman nose and ears long enough to trip over! Oh, and lots of spots and blue eyes!

Hamad Iqbal Multan,280kg Bakra - YouTube

Oh, and NO ONE can accuse me of *pampering* my goats anymore, because I do not raise my goats in a "special" decorated and blessed goat house, or have my family out gathering CERTAIN leaves, plants, and grasses to make up the diet....and I have never once decorated my goats with stings of semi-precious beads!

You don't? I do. All the time. Slacker.