HELP!!! someone dumped kids

No local paper here. Closest is 40 miles away and the time lag is tooooo long.

Yarrow keeps a bio-security intensive closed herd. These stray/dumpees are a threat to her herd's health. They need to go away NOW. I'm thinking she may have found them a home, based on what she posted on Facebook.

I'm wondering about the tags, too. Our vet works part time at the sale barn in West Plains. He may be able to trace numbers. HOWEVER, it may just lead to a sale barn, and it may take too long.

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How sad for Susie & for those little goats. I'm sure they are scared to death for 1 thing not knowing where they are or who anyone is.

I agree with Mygoat & some of the others here. Most likely the folks didn't have hay or could no longer take care of them but if I could find someone to take my animals & give them a good home & could no longer feed them I would put them down before dropping them off somewhere! I just think that is so irresponsible & really makes me mad when people do that.

If they are scrapies tags, they won't lead back to an auction house. A scrapies tag has a premise ID, which is a BREEDER'S individual number. Essentially, your animals must have a scrapies tag, registration tattoo, (or can be tattooed with your premise ID as the tattoo if unregistered), to go through an auction house. Then at slaughter, the animals are tested for scrapies. If one comes up positive, it is traceable to the farm where it was born.

Hopefully she's found a place for them to go.

I had an incident almost like this a few years ago. An idiot down the street bought two fainters and let them roam. Impulse buy, didn't think, didn't even tie them up. Animal control showed up and they were dragging these goats onto my property by their collars, trying to be good Samaritans and put them in my pastures for me, because they assumed they were mine. I flipped out on them, explained they were NOT mine, get those critters off my property asap, and then went on to rant about disease prevention, biosecurity, and about how not all goat owners are the same.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

Sorry to be slow to update (amazing how much time the new grand baby takes... and of course today is the day that we were moving the yearling bucks into the *big boy pen* and getting the just weaned keeper bucklings out of the communal kid pen...) Needless to say, it's been a loud, stinky-pee-y morning LOL)

Dumped kids spent their evening laying around eating hay & chewing cud.. (as much as I hated to, I had no where safe to keep them, except in one of my kidding pens... we deep hayed it -we'll take the pen to ground before winter and bleach down the walls & pen bars)....

As Alice mentioned we were lucky enough to have a wonderful gal step up and offer them a forever home (and I know she too just got a BIG ol' load of hay delivered!!!!) she is on this forum, but I won't *out* her.. I'll let her announce the new additions to her farm family...

Looking at them, I think Wintrrwolf hit it right on the head... I think they were going to be someone's attempt at breeding mini nubians... he looks all (or mostly all.. nigerian) she looks to be half & half... I really don't think they are siblings.. he looks/acts older then her.. the fact that it's a buck and a doe, also leads me to think they were someone's possible foundation start... I think they've come thru a sale's barn (guessing by the tags)

Someone mentioned maybe a person with good intentions found them wandering and put them in my barn lot...well, that really couldn't be the case.. except for a herd of boers up the road aways.. there are NO other goats near me... we also live few and rather far apart out here...no house for them to be wandering away from, for someone to find.. I also practice bio-security ... there are not one, or two but THREE fencelines that have to be crossed to get to my barnlot (they could have dropped them over the fence into my front yard pretty easily... but to get them to my barnlot... out behind my house, with LGD's ect... I'm thinking they probably pulled up out front and dumped them into the donkey pen (next to my driveway) Howard is AWFUL with goats.. hence being *jailed* in the side pasture .... awayyyyy from the goats... he probably chased them around, and they were small enough to get thru the gate and into the back, then ran around where we found them.. when the doe herd came in from the the woods.. OR they parked north of us, climbed that fence.. walked thru the woods (only goats you can see from the road are my bottle babies.. NEVER is my main herd visible from the road)..so it would be thru the woods, over another fence and then drop them over the electric..lots of work/ticks/posion ivy ect.... hence my thinking they dumped them into the killer donkey pen...

I really think this is a case of someone who got them, loved them... couldn't afford to buy feed/find hay something like that and decided to give them to the goat lady... I can sort of understand it.. but I'll admit.. I'm hot.. how dare someone not only dump their responsibilities upon me.. but how DOUBLE dare they risk MY herd, while they are doing it???? again, dropped into my front yard and run for you car is one thing... but to actually put them where they can have physical contact with my herd... wrong on many levels.... I am going to attempt to track their ear tags.. I'm hoping it's just a person who bought a couple kids and it didn't work out... if it turns out to be a goat breeder (or someone one I know) I will not be a nice person......

thanks to everyone who offered possible homes.. gave great advice.. or just simply understood what I was feeling.. (I was so dreading having to shoot them... I'm a softie, but would have if it had come to that.. the health & well being of my own herd will always come first...

Little Mz Wattles and her boyfriend will be leaving early this evening... hope we gets lots of great updates.. and again thank you all..

susie, mo ozarks

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I know the time my folks found a cow wandering in their yard they took it to the only nearby place we'd expect to find cows and put it in the pen, but they immediately knocked at the house and checked on the ownership of said cow. The owners were a bit confused when a neighbor knocked and questioned if a cow in their own yard was really theirs. (Having been away at camp at the time, and a bus seat mate of a boy from the other family, I heard the story from both sides.)

Oh, I'm so glad they found a good home

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Sometimes strange things happen. Once I was driving down a country road and saw a draft horse, donkey stud, and small pony heading out the driveway of a farm.
Being a goody two shoes type of person, grabbed a rope, got a hold of the draft and lead him back up the driveway. The others followed him, the donkey being a pain in the butt the whole way.
I called and called but no one came out of the hourse. Then I spied an open gate to a corral, so I lead them over and shut them in, feeling that I had been a good neighbor.
Well- not so much. The story went round a day or two later about how someone had just dump these animals at a local farmers place- he had no idea whose they were.
I never said anything, although I should have- this farmer was angry. But I learned that what comes down a driveway might have just been visiting and not residents.
BTW the owners did come for them.

Yay for happy endings! (At least until Susie finds the old owners...)

BTW I keep trying to imagine how big your darling grandson must be getting. Could we maybe get a picture or 10?

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Not to make light of anything, but this sounds like the start of a bad joke, lol!

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I admit that I thought the same thing when I saw that assortment.

Glad you found a home for them Yarrow!

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Well don't blame the breeder at first - the ear tags trace BREEDERS, so it may not have been them - but the person they sold them to - that dumped them.

And, as for risking your herd - MOST LIKELY if they were ignorant enough to dump them, they are ignorant that communicable diseases exist at all. Not that it makes it OK, but maybe they didn't realize the risk. Of course, if you didn't do the research and don't have the money to take care of them, it's not like they have a responsible track record.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

oh...no.. I'm sure it's not the breeder (if that's even the same person for both of them)... I really think they were dumped by who by the person who bought them (at a sale is my bet).. that said, IF I can find who the tags belonged to and IF they'll tell me what salebarn they went to and IF.. that sale barn keeps records and will tell me who bought them.. then MAYBE I might find who dumped them.. my bet is it would just be a waste of time.. I just hope for this never happens again, but come winter when lots of folks will have NO hay.. I'm afraid those of us with hay..will be seeing more dumping/gifting going on..

I think we got very lucky with these two being as healthy as they look.... CL is always my biggest disease phobia.. I've looked them over head to toe..not a lump nor a bump...at least there are no open abscesses or anything along those lines....wipes brow in relief...

I posted some pics in a different thread.. this is one of them, but thought I'd post it here too... it shows just how HARD it was to get these kids into the barn lot... this picture is of the does returning from the woods and waiting around to be penned & fed... the dumped kids were found off to the north of this pic.. down an alley way between my haybarn & kidding barn.. they were being squished up again a fence panel.. it could have turned out really bad for them



susie, mo ozarks

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I thought the auction house had to ear tag them if they arrive at the sale without tags. I can tell you that dang near NO ONE in the Ozarks ear tags their goats at home.

(Mine are registered and tattooed, so I don't have to ear tag.)

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Alice
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I think they are *suppose* to ear tag them.. but who knows if they do... the kids' tags are the same type.. but his has a lot more letter & numbers (and opposite ears)... I haven't handled the dumpees really.. just talked to them thru the fence, gave them a quick look over for CL bumps.. they **may** be tattooed, but with them both still having horns.. I'm betting not. (will look in ears when we get them out of the stall tonight to send them to their new home)

susie, mo ozarks

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Pretty sure that auction houses scrapie tag any animal that isn't when it comes in...

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LaMancha & Nubian goats

That's how it works in Utah... Technically, you're supposed to have them on the animals when they arrive, but if you don't have them on, they just pull out their own tags and tag them on the spot. Kind of pointless, if you ask me.

How it is here in Ohio too. Until a few years back we actually had our hauler tag our meat animals headed for auction in PA. He had a bunch of tags taht he could use. They were connected to us through records, but it was not a breeder's tag series.
We have our own now.

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If the auction house is tagging them, then I will bet my tooshie that they keep records of who brought them in. I imagine repercussions would be rather large for the auction house who couldn't trace where a scrapies positive animal came from. If they don't, that would be unbelieveably stupid.

People might be more helpful if you tell them you're just looking for their owners because you 'found' them. Don't tell them you're out to give them a tounge-lashing. You can keep that a secret until you're ready to unload a verbal tirade on 'em. The dumpers really deserve it.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

Glad the little ones found a home. A couple of years ago I went outside and in our front field was a cow!! I have no idea how she got there or where she came from. She was a BIG cow!!! And she was behind a closed and gated field.

We really didnt want a cow, so called the police and turned her over. I guess someone had a big BBQ!!! LOL
Alice in Virginia

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