I'm stunned :(

Mickey · #21 04/29/12, 02:26 AM

It says BioTracking LLC, Moscow, ID and BioPRYN CAE report at the top of the report I received.
Animal ID %inhibition in test Status
Missy 4.0 Negative
Crystal 9.0 Negative
Dancer 85.0 Positive
Robert 71.0 Positive

RedSonja · #22 04/29/12, 08:39 AM

Ouch. Yeah. Those are pretty high titers. And BioTracking has a very good reputation.

-Sonja

Alice In TX/MO · #23 04/29/12, 09:00 AM

Ask her to buy them back. You don't want to keep them.

I am SO sorry this happened.

KrisD · #24 04/29/12, 12:14 PM

I agree those are really high titer numbers, send them back now and cut your losses. I wouldn't even retest with those numbers, if they were borderline I probably would. I would nicely discuss all the money you put into them, maybe she can reimburse you for some of it or maybe she has another idea how to make it up to you. Never hurts to ask nicely.

Mickey · #25 04/29/12, 04:03 PM

When I called her the other night with the test results she said she wanted to reimburse me or maybe we could test a few of this years kids and see if they were clean. The trouble with that solution is that these are all young kids we're talking about. If the tests aren't reliable for 6 months or so then there's not much point eh? I could end up in the same boat all over again.

I'm going to keep both of them (separated from the rest) until fall. I'll breed the buck to all of the does in November and then ship him as soon as I know for certain everyone is pregnant. When Dancer kids I'll pull them at birth and then ship her too.

You know I decided last year to finally take the leap and invest in some good registered stock. I really can't just suck up that much of a loss, I have to make this work.
Thanks again everyone for the advice and moral support.

Oat Bucket Farm · #26 04/29/12, 04:19 PM

I agree, those numbers are ouch.

I think you've made the best decision for you situation. Sorry you are having to deal with this heart ache.

At least the breeder didn't just blow you off though.

chamoisee · #27 04/29/12, 05:00 PM

These are hard decisions to make. Be careful not to share needles between the positive and negative groups, also trim hooves after the negatives and disinfect, same with tattoo needles, anything that might involve blood.

CaliannG · #28 04/29/12, 05:07 PM

~hugs~ I am so sorry. Yeah, those numbers are high. Ugh!

It was a good decision you made for your situation. I am sorry you had to made the decision at all. I do know what it feels like to invest nearly a year in raising good stock only to face severe disappointment.

Is Dancer already pregnant? What about your other does? Have they kidded/or bred?

Since Dancer is a yearling, you COULD bred her. The CIDR/pg600 technique is really good for bringing does into heat out of season. You could have summer babies and get this over that much more quickly.

Mickey · #29 04/29/12, 05:14 PM

I will be very careful not to share needles etc., and I'm going to test my own girls again in 6 months so I'll know for certain where I stand before they kid too. They've been living with these two ever since they came here so I'll be on pins and needles waiting for their next test results.

Mickey · #30 04/29/12, 05:18 PM

Thanks Cali. No, Dancer hasn't been bred yet; she just turned a year old April 3rd. But she is a good size doe and I wouldn't have any objection to breeding her now if she would come into heat. What is CIDR/pg600?
Missy kidded last August and is still milking. I had intended to milk her thru until this came up. Now I plan to breed her and her doeling Crystal this year after all.

CaliannG · #31 04/29/12, 05:38 PM

CIDR is a hormonal plastic thingy that you insert into the doe's vagina. It causes the doe to cycle. Added to PG600 and Lutalyse injections, it nearly guarantees a full ovulation and standing heat to YOUR timetable.

Lots of commercial breeders are using it to both synchronize their herds' cycles (making it easier to time breedings), and to breed part of their herd out of season to ensure a continuous milk supply. People who practice AI (Artificial Insemination) use to to ensure that they know the EXACT day the doe will be in standing heat, and therefore take the guesswork and wondering out of AI.

The tool to insert the CIDRs costs between $15-20, depending where you get it. It is a one-time expenditure since you can sterilize and re-use it. The inserts themselves cost between $4-$6 each, depending on the same. (Or 20 of them for $90, etc. for larger scale breeders.) PG600 injections are available from your vet. I don't know what your vet would charge, but mine charges $7.50 per dose. Lutalyse costs $18.00 per bottle from my vet. A bottle has MANY doses.

CIDR Protocol as per Iowa State University, Department of Animal Science:

Day 1
Lute 2.5 ml
CIDR Placement

Day 11
Lute 2.5 ml

Day 12
CIDR Removal
PG600 2.5 ml

Day 13
IN STANDING HEAT--BREED