Ozark Jewels in Need of Prayer

Oat Bucket Farm · #**161** 03/18/12, 06:32 PM

Sounds like it has to be the hay. His hay venture may be cut short. Sounds like maybe he needed a little more experience in how to make good hay. Sucks Emily and her goats had to suffer for it.

BoldViolet · #**162** 03/18/12, 06:58 PM

I can't believe I missed this earlier.

How awful. I hope answers are found.

Do keep us updated on where to send donations.

southerngurl · #**163** 03/18/12, 07:07 PM

My point was just that sometimes it's nobody's fault. We don't know what was wrong with the hay.

It's good to hear there is some improvement

Ranger · #**164** 03/18/12, 07:07 PM

Yarrow, thank you so much, both for helping Emily so much,and for updating us. I'm so thankful that no more have died. Much love to all of you.

yarrow · #**165** 03/18/12, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oat Bucket Farm

Sounds like it has to be the hay. His hay venture may be cut short. Sounds like maybe he needed a little more experience in how to make good hay. Sucks Emily and her goats had to suffer for it.

totally agree.. even if this turns out to be mold or something like that..(I'm sure this guy has no idea his hay is hurting animals).. we need to find out what it was that went wrong , so it doesn't happen again...

susie, mo ozarks

Backfourty,MI. · #**166** 03/18/12, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranger

Yarrow, thank you so much, both for helping Emily so much,and for updating us. I'm so thankful that no more have died. Much love to all of you.

Couldn't say it better.

Freya · #**167** 03/19/12, 02:04 AM

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KrisD · #**168** 03/19/12, 06:06 AM

Any new updates? How is camero son doing?

**mygoat** · #**169** 03/19/12, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by susanne

agree, we just don't have the whole story. i could very well be the grain mix or mineral.
i remember a case from several years ago where a breeder got urea in her grain mix. this was a custom mix she had for years (minus the urea of course) and it just needed one new employer at the feed store to wipe out an entire herd.

Wow, that's scary. Must've been the sudden change in diet? Urea is used as a non-protein nitrogen for ruminants, and is usually perfectly safe to feed them. The bacteria in the gut use the urea to make protein, then the ruminant digests the bacteria as microbial protein - which is very high quality protien. Usually half of the protein intake is microbial, meaning it's a cheap, effective, and USUALLY safe way to increase protein intake of ruminants. Though it's rarely used in goats/sheep but most common in cattle diets.

susanne · #**170** 03/19/12, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mygoat

Wow, that's scary. Must've been the sudden change in diet? Urea is used as a non-protein nitrogen for ruminants, and is usually perfectly safe to feed them. The bacteria in the gut use the urea to make protein, then the ruminant digests the bacteria as microbial protein - which is very high quality protien. Usually half of the protein intake is microbial, meaning it's a cheap, effective, and USUALLY safe way to increase protein intake of ruminants. Though it's rarely used in goats/sheep but most common in cattle diets.

urea is very toxic for goats

RedSonja · #**171** 03/19/12, 08:38 AM

Just now having time for computer time, and am in shock. Poor Emily! I just can't imagine. Thank you to everyone local that has gone to help, and I'm sending tons of good thoughts and healing vibes to Emily and her herd.

-Sonja

Rechellef · #**172** 03/19/12, 09:41 AM

My heart has been breaking for Emily!! I pray that she will get some rest and find some peace after all these horrible losses. Lots of ((((HUGS))) to you and your herd Emily!!

goatiegirls · #**173** 03/19/12, 10:59 AM

I haven't been on here in days and I'm so shocked and saddened by this. This is truly a goat persons nightmare and especially in light of last hay seasons growing conditions, this really could happen to anyone. Emily, I am so very sorry for your losses and your goaties suffering - I will be praying for continued healing of your herd as well as healing for your heart.

Thank you Susie and all who have been able to help - and thank you for all the updates. For future reference, this resource is probably farther from some of you Missouri goat people than your state lab, but there is a Vet diagnostic Lab in Fayetteville, AR, operated by the Univ of AR. I have checked in the past and they do perform Necropsy. The name of the lab is Leland Tollet Veterinary Diagnostic Lab.
Ginger

yarrow · #**174** 03/19/12, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by goatiegirls

I haven't been on here in days and I'm so shocked and saddened by this. This is truly a goat persons nightmare and especially in light of last hay seasons growing conditions, this really could happen to anyone. Emily, I am so very sorry for your losses and your goaties suffering - I will be praying for continued healing of your herd as well as healing for your heart.

Thank you Susie and all who have been able to help - and thank you for all the updates. For future reference, this resource is probably farther from some of you Missouri goat people than your state lab, but there is a Vet diagnostic Lab in Fayetteville, AR, operated by the Univ of AR. I have checked in the past and they do perform Necropsy. The name of the lab is Leland Tollet Veterinary Diagnostic Lab.
Ginger

Ginger.. that's actually not a bad idea.. Fayetteville isn't really any further away from us then Columbia is... I'll make sure one of us mentions this to Emily, today..

((sidenote: How is Rebel doing?? lots of babies?? His *first love* Gloomy is due to kid tomorrow.. can't wait to see what she this time. I'm still head over hills for the Rebel/Gloomy son, Walker.. he is maturing slowly, but he's going to be one handsome buck when he's grown!))

susie, mo ozarks

SunsetSonata · #**175** 03/19/12, 12:25 PM

I'd just like to add my sympathy and concern. I don't own any goats but I'm a regular lurker here, and follow the joys, trials and tribulations, and love the pictures of course. I'm definitely more educated about goats than I used to be due to lurking here. I know this won't mean as much coming as someone who doesn't live the goat life BUT, I hope Emily knows that even lurkers are horrified by what's happened. To care for an animal and see it in agony, let alone lose them - just awful. Let alone multiple animals. I wish Emily the best and am glad to see this community pulling together for her.

dbarjacres · #**176** 03/19/12, 06:37 PM

Oh gosh, I haven't been on since last week. I'm soooooo sorry Emily! I hope your herd can recover with no setbacks. I hope you figure out what the issue was.

I'd gladly help with a donation. Maybe between us all she can pay for the costs this incurred and maybe get her a replacement buck.

Good thoughts your way.....

momagoat61 · #**177** 03/19/12, 07:10 PM

I was out talking to my 71 year old dad today about this and he told me several years ago a farmer about 5 miles from us put out a large round bale of hay that had been ferterlized with ammonium nitrate /nitrogen and the farmer put the bale out for 14 cows and the very next morning the farmer went out and found all 14 cows dead.. It was determined the cattle had die of ammonium nitrogen poisoning.

lonelyfarmgirl · #**178** 03/19/12, 07:49 PM

I am anxious to hear the results of the hay test.

Suzyq2u · #**179** 03/20/12, 11:05 AM

How long does it generally take to hear back?

TroutRiver · #**180** 03/20/12, 11:22 AM

I've been following this thread for a few days now and am so sorry to hear about this tragedy

A friend of my mother lost her entire sheep herd overnight due to a bad batch of hay a couple years ago, completely devastating

I do want to say that it is completely amazing the network of people here willing to go out of their way to help in any way that they can. Go team! You are all amazing