Ozark Jewels in Need of Prayer

Dreamgoat Annie · #**141** 03/18/12, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Natural Beauty Farm

Just bring it to the state lab. There should be several. Might even be one closer to her in another state?

Here we bring the whole animal, the vet takes samples and sends them out. I've got my local lab so well trained they send out and do CAE, G6S and copper automatically for me at no extra charge.

Thanks everyone for helping Emily. I hope none of us every go through anything like this, but its nice to know that there is so much help and support in our little community.

If Emily wants to go this route, is there someone between her home and Mizzou that could take the body or tissues there? Unfortunately, we're 70-80 miles south of Emily and I can't go that far as I have to be here to take care of animals (farmsitters in this area? Ha! There aren't any), especially with my old ewe huge and set to pop, possibly with an oversize lamb or lambs.

John and I will contribute to costs and Susie/Yarrow has said they will too, plus various people at the sheep lists, and that should rightfully include gas both ways for whoever delivers the tissues.

A person at my list who has been through this before says, "Why have the vets submit samples? Chain of custody, verification, and professional identification of the animal that the sample came from. This is important if it goes to court."

Otherwise, another suggests calling the emergency number for the food animal clinic; there is always someone there and they can advise.

This is a PDF of Mizzou's services. It's a huge download (2.81 KB) but very interesting: http://vmdl.missouri.edu/VMDLSchedOfFees.pdf

Even if Emily decides she doesn't want to pursue this, I think it's valuable information for those of us out here in no-vet land to know, just in case. I've had horses for 52 years and sheep and goats for 10 and never done this before.

Sue

farmmom · #**142** 03/18/12, 05:51 AM

Continuing to pray for Emily and the goats that are still sick. It has been really encouraging to see how this community has gathered around her in prayer and in practical help. May each of you who were able to reach out to her in help and supplies reap many blessings for your generosity!

Cannon_Farms · #**143** 03/18/12, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by yarrow

I usually order Boehringer-Ingleheim... but like you mentioned it is on backorder (until AUG????).. so I had to order the Colorado Serum brand (have used both in the past.. both worked)... I couldn't believe there was NONE to be found yesterday!!! I've always kept one big bottle.. but after realizing how many can go down at once.. I went ahead and ordered the three bottles (also stopped on the way to Emily's in West Plains and grabbed a new bottle of thiamine and a BIG bottle of banamine.. already had both, but knew we would be using that too.. so I'm well stocked on both... I tell you we just keep finding things to use the Dex on.. so I'm adding one more bottle to my usual one... (living in the Ozarks is beautiful.. but when you need something like the antitoxin.. you often find out .. there is NONE TO BE HAD!!!)

susie, mo ozarks

I will check with the manufacture today and see when the back order is over. Also if needed I can see what the other stores have and overnight them to a tsc near you if needed.

Minelson · #**144** 03/18/12, 07:48 AM

I sure would like to donate to help with costs for new hay, meds, necropsy etc... Maybe one of you that are in contact with her can find out if she has a Paypal Account??

Oat Bucket Farm · #**145** 03/18/12, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Minelson

I sure would like to donate to help with costs for new hay, meds, necropsy etc... Maybe one of you that are in contact with her can find out if she has a Paypal Account??

Yes this. Even if it's only ten dollars, it would help in some way. This would be great for all of us who want to help but are too far away to do anything else.

Sherry in Iowa · #**146** 03/18/12, 09:43 AM

Emily, if you read this..know that you and your herd are in my thoughts and prayers. There's absolutely no words of comfort that I can write that will ease your heartbreak.

I will share that we had a Dexter problem. When we got over the shock, which you must be feeling, we set out to create a paper trail of sorts. Whether it's a vet, vet assistant, the gals on here that came to visit, they all need to write down what they saw and heard while it's fresh in their minds.

If you have the exact hay bale that was fed to the goats..that is the sample you really want. But the hay samples have got to get to a lab and not have any more contamination (from just being looked at and stuff) than it has had.

We didn't dig up Brunie..I suppose we should have. But the body of a goat should be handled the way the hay is. Straight shot from farm to lab.

There is always a chance that it wasn't the hay itself. I'm sure someone has looked through that bale to see if beetles were in it. But like my husband said, right now, no one knows if it is the whole field of hay or just a few bales that got affected by something.

The head vet for Iowa was at the University of Iowa and also was the head coroner so to speak. She was a wealth of information.

To know what alfalfa was planted, when it was planted, and if it was sprayed for anything is a must. Also, is there toxic weeds in the bale. Your labs are your best friend..so is your county extension right now. Test your feed and water too. They will be called into question if something goes to court. The same with any new animal that came in in the recent past. (been down this road) or any meds/wormer that was given right before the problem started.

I know if you are like hubby and me..we purposely sat down..went through each and every move that we had made with the livestock in the previous day, week and month. It might not be the hay, writing stuff down from every source may actually pop up what the culprit is..whether it hay or not.

My husband never gets on this board. I was reading him the threads about your situation..he's as sick about it as I am. We hold you in prayer and frankly, if it was the hay that caused you this..we hold the guy who sold it in prayer too. I can't imagine how upset he must be right now. I don't know any hay grower that purposely makes animals sick. But I do know a few that don't raise hay or handle it the way I would like. I also don't think some farmers are totally aware of what some of the new seed and sprays can do to livestock yet.

Anyhow, from our homestead to yours, best wishes for a speedy recovery and solid answers.

Blue Run Farm · #**147** 03/18/12, 10:23 AM

I am so sorry for your losses, Emily. I have been following this thread and haven't had a chance to log on, but I wanted to say I am praying with all my might for the rest of your goats. This is horrible and tragic. I just hope you are able to find the cause and maybe save some other people's animals from having this happen too. Sending lots of jingles, healing vibes and prayers for the recovery of your goats and for emotional healing for you and your family.

chewie · #**148** 03/18/12, 10:38 AM

I am at a loss of words, other than I am so very sorry, wish that was worth more.

cayenne47 · #**149** 03/18/12, 10:45 AM

On the subject of not finding CD&T antitoxin at Tractor Supply. When I had a goat go down, I called every feed store within 100 miles. NO one had it, so they said. I had to go to Dels (Tractor supplys name for their western stores) and there was a HUGE bottle in their fridge. Its labled clostridia-etc etc antitoxin...exactly what I was looking for, but because it didnt SAY EXACTLY--CDT ANTITOXIN-- the kids working at the store said nope, dont have it...so if you get a chance, actually go in and look for yourself.The kids they have working the registers dont usually know a lot.

Backfourty,MI. · #**150** 03/18/12, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Minelson

I sure would like to donate to help with costs for new hay, meds, necropsy etc... Maybe one of you that are in contact with her can find out if she has a Paypal Account??

I don't use a PayPal account but I would like to donate as well for Emily to recover some of her costs. If one of you good folks that have been keeping in contact with Emily could talk to her about this we would all appreciate it.

**mygoat** · #**151** 03/18/12, 12:49 PM

Dang, this whole situation sucks. I'm so glad she has great people to go help out, though.

I've been reading the Merck vet manual. I see there is a poisoning especially common after feeding red clover. But, it also says it doesn't USUALLY cause deaths.

Here's a link to the MVM online. I was reading under the Toxicology header on the left. There's a big chart that details poisons, cause, treatment etc. Perhaps someone that knows the situation more and knows the symptoms could read through that section?

Hope everybody left pulls through.

Merck Veterinary Manual

beccachow · #**152** 03/18/12, 12:56 PM

Ahhh, so very very soory for the lost.

Praying for the rest.

yarrow · #**153** 03/18/12, 01:04 PM

My daughter & son-in-law just left for Emily's house... we'll have an update later this afternoon.. (we are 80 miles away, so it's an hour 1/2 each direction).. so it may be early evening before they get back.. but I will update (Emily may even get on here later)... when I talked to Joan this morning.. the spotted Camero son was not doing well..

We'll talk to her about a pay pal account (or some other way that folks who would like to help with some the expenses can).. again, thank you all for being so generous..

susie, mo ozarks

cc · #**154** 03/18/12, 01:57 PM

Jeffer's has Clostridium Perfringes Types C & D Antitoxins, 50 mL for $7.95 and 250 mL for $29.75 and they have both in stock in case anyone needs to order some.

CJBegins · #**155** 03/18/12, 01:58 PM

If someone can get a body to me up near fort leonard wood or lebanon, my hubby and I can get it to Columbia. Even a hay specimen also.

goatkid · #**156** 03/18/12, 02:46 PM

I haven't been on this forum for a few days and am saddened to learn of Emily's losses and sick goats. It is scary that this could happen to any one of us. I have friends who have experiened similar losses. With one, it was bloat from hay that wasn't cured long enough before feeding it. With the other, they bought feed from a local mill that was contaminated with urea. Those last folks were actually compensated financially by the feed mill. I do hope the hay seller will be willing to compensate Emily for her lossses and veterinary costs.
We are having a buck year here at my place and if there is any way she could get a buckling transported form Montana to her place, I'd be willing to donate a Nubian buckling to her herd.

southerngurl · #**157** 03/18/12, 03:58 PM

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I do hope the hay seller will be willing to compensate Emily for her lossses and veterinary costs

IF it was the fault of the hay grower.

susanne · #**158** 03/18/12, 04:57 PM

agree, we just don't have the whole story. i could very well be the grain mix or mineral.
i remember a case from several years ago where a breeder got urea in her grain mix. this was a custom mix she had for years (minus the urea of course) and it just needed one new employer at the feed store to wipe out an entire herd.

Oat Bucket Farm · #**159** 03/18/12, 05:11 PM

Exactly. It could be a lot of things. If it is the hay, I feel sorry for hey guy too. I highly doubt he ever meant any harm to come to any animals, but his hay business will be ruined if the hay caused it. No one will trust his hay after this.

I hope Emily didn't have anymore losses and I hope all of the babies waiting to born are born perfect and healthy.

yarrow · #**160** 03/18/12, 06:26 PM

We talked in depth about this... the ONLY goats who got sick are the ones she fed the new hay to.. (no new grain.. nothing new/different except the hay..it can't be anything they found in their pen or something in the water.. they are kept in different areas..yet goats in ALL the areas that were fed the hay became ill.. goats not fed the hay.. didn't get sick).. it's not too hard to figure out the source of the problem!!! (it will take testing to find out exactly what it is, that's wrong with the hay).. again, this was a new hay supplier. She had never bought from him before (she says he has no animals.. seemed to just be a city guy, turned hay grower.. not sure how long he has been doing this.. no one seems to know him, so it maybe a new business venture???)..

Jessica just home from Emily's ... she said there is considerable improvement with the yearlings & the milkers.. Bucks still acting puny.. but still alive.. Hopefully Emily will have some internet access this evening and can answer in more detail..

susie, mo ozarks