dog attack... :(

RedSonja · #21 03/09/12, 08:14 AM

So sorry

I can't imagine going through that.

Sending healing vibes for your goats.

-Sonja

Lazydaisy67 · #22 03/09/12, 08:23 AM

I love animals too, but wolf/dogs and goats together? I don't know.... Granted, you can't always control every single movement by a dog of any kind but a domesticated dog's natural instinct is quite a bit different than what a wolf/dog would have, isn't it?
I would definitely shoot the dog, no question. Hope all will be well with your goats. I'm sorry you have to be going through this.

farmmom · #23 03/09/12, 08:23 AM

I'm so sorry you're going through this. I hope everyone heals up well, and lots of healthy babies are born. I agree that the best thing you can do for all involved is to allow the dog to gently leave this world. He has too strong of a prey drive to be safely kept around any animal or I would fear, small children.

thaiblue12 · #24 03/09/12, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoubleD

If I am I not mistaken this new adopted animal is a wolf hybrid? You are mistaken, he was adopted as an adult, so his breed is unknown. You clearly missed the part where I said he may be, based on me reading her thread when she adopted him. I guess you skim what you want and do not bother with the actual facts.

You take it in, put it in close contact with prey and it acts out like a wolf and now it must pay with its life? All dogs are carnivores any dog even your pet of 5 yrs can eat your livestock, or your neighbor's dog, or a random stray dog.

Such a shame. It is such a shame that you posted.

Where is the humane society when you need them. Maybe they are out campaigning with PETA to ban all pets and meat eating, you should be the first to give up both in honor of their cause. Let us know how it goes.

Steph I am sorry I said he may have part wolf, since clearly it brings out the less then bright and compassionate people. I just meant that you could not see it coming due to his unknown origins and possibly higher prey drive. I should have just said when you adopt an older dog with an unknown background, since it brings out probably the same people who jump on the Anti-Pit Wagon. I love the people who know diddly

and act like they are superior, maybe it makes them feel better?

I know I read the Midol thing here, but I cannot find it, I want to say it is a science person that Yarrow knows? I am going to keep looking for it.

I think it is great that he is being kindly put down instead of shot. She has lost some of her goats and now she is going to lose a dog she rescued that she drove 5 hours one way to adopt. She had no idea this was coming and it is an awful situation to be in. One I hope none of us ever are in. When you adopt an older dog or have neighbor's who cannot control their's you never know what might happen. She had him in chain link and he tore it up, it is not like she had him loose with the goats.

ETA: I found it: Here is why Midol works in the replacement of Banamine. They are both from the NSAID family of drugs. Meaning that will it reduces the pain, it an anti-inflammatory, and so on.
But he did not give a dosage and I do not know if it is safe for pregnant does. Hopefully someone who has used Banamine or it's like can tell you if it is ok to use on her and maybe we can find out a safe dose of Midol. Mostly I am wondering about pain and swelling from brusies that cannot be seen. Is she grinding her teeth at all?

wolffeathers · #25 03/09/12, 09:29 AM

I'm so sorry.

We have a similar predicament here, but not with a hybrid but rather a beagle mix. I can't blame him that he has a prey drive, he's killed goats before. The best we can do is try to keep them seperate. (We would rehome the dog, but he belongs to another family member and has been here longer than the goats... sooo, it's complicated)

I do not think you are irresponsibly for trying to rescue these hybrids and keep goats at the same time. Many folks on this forum keep hunting dogs and livestock together, or pit bulls and livestock together, or German Shepherds and livestock together. They are all predators kept near prey species.

She did state that she was prepared to take him back to the rescue, but the rescue agreed that the best option would be to euth. What if the animal suddenly decided that smaller dogs, cats, or even children would be fun to "play" with.

madness · #26 03/09/12, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thaiblue12

She had him in chain link and he tore it up, it is not like she had him loose with the goats.

I just wanted to quote this. I think some people have missed this. She thought she had all the animals properly housed. It's what we all do. Unfortunately, sometimes we underestimate animals (wild, domestic, ours, our neighbors, whatever) and tragedies happen.

TroutRiver · #27 03/09/12, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwings

From what I've read the OP is well aware of the tendency's of wolf hybrids. Considering that if you actually read all her posts she tells us that she's owned them before and tells us about them.

I would do the same thing in her shoes. That dog is most likely a problem waiting to happen for anybody. If she were to give it back to the rescue and they adopted the dog to someone else who lived out in the country how long until the dog gets loose and kills someone else's live stock? If they adopt it to someone who lives closer to people how long until this dog gets loose and mauls a neighbors toddler. Prey drive is prey drive, usually if it runs around and makes noise its prey. I don't know how this dog is around kids personally but i wouldn't trust it around small children with their tendency to run around and make lots of noises.

Its best that the dog goes peacefully now instead of it being jostled around from house to house in and out of shelters and with the possibility of ending up in the hands of someone who would abuse it. He's in a good home right now, and he will be spared the trauma of being left unwanted somewhere in a shelter for the rest of his life.

He can't help what he is, personally i don't think wolf hybrids should exist because most of them end up like this guy. Its sad yes, but the OP doesn't need your criticism, she needs support. Your post is unhelpful and will only serve to make the OP feel even worse then she already does. Its snarky posts like yours that make me consider leaving this forum from time to time.

Personally i don't take anything seriously from anyone on any forum who has such low post numbers, stick around awhile, get to know us and what were about here and then you can form an opinion on things. Not just post bleeding heart crap like you just did. You can't fix everything, the dog could be a danger to its self and other animals and the OP is doing the right thing and is trying to fix the horrible things that have happened.

Now for the OP. I hope your doe heals up quickly and i'm sorry this horrible thing has happened. I can't imagine having to go through all that you have in such a short amount of time. I'm sorry that this post is so long and ranty but TheDoubleD's post ticked me off. He has no right to judge you when your already doing all you can in your situation and doing the right thing in my opinion. I'll probably get flamed for this post but i don't really care.

Hopefully with the due date being so soon the baby will be fine, and your doe too. Keep us updated.

excellent post

Wolf or not, this is clearly a dog that had a rough beginning, at no fault of the OP because she did not raise him from a puppy. I wish it was possible to ban idiots from raising puppies, things like this would not happen nearly as often. If this poor dog EVER had a chance , it would be with an owner who is experienced with dogs like this, as the OP seems to be. He clearly can't function in a domestic environment, which means he can't function as a pet, for anyone. It's not the dog's fault, but nonetheless, it's the way things worked out for him. Unfortunate, but if this dog is not euthanized, other animals (possibly people) could be hurt or worse.

So sorry you are going through this

Sherry in Iowa · #28 03/09/12, 10:17 AM

Really, really sorry for your loss. I can't imagine how devastated you are. I pray your remaining goats do well.

Wags · #29 03/09/12, 10:24 AM

We had that happen with a rescue dog, she had been docile when she first saw the goats, but one day she got through or over the fence and went after them. Took a couple of bites out of our wether. He survived with a lot of tlc.

The city rescue I had gotten her from was appalled that I would even consider putting her down - and were totally unaware of the laws that allow dogs that attack livestock to be shot on sight.

Sorry you are having to go through this.

The Tin Mom · #30 03/09/12, 10:30 AM

(((hugs)))

This is gut wrenching. Praying that your girls pull through!

LFRJ · #31 03/09/12, 10:30 AM

We took in a shepherd rescue once. (A Tervuren, if you're familiar with the breed. Beautiful dog). The family let it go because it took to biting the toddlers. We don't have kids, so thought we'd give it try knowing it could not go back. We penned it and kept it for over a year even AFTER it drew blood on us a couple of times. When it started jumping the fence and killing OUR livestock - we then opted to put it down. Not because it was killing OUR livestock - twas it's nature, but because of the hazard that it may go in search of better hunting grounds ...like the family of kids with pet chickens up the road.

IMO, there are some circumstances in which alternatives are so limited that it's better to put down the animal rather than gamble with the liability. Does sound as if the O.P. tried to contain the dog. I'm real sorry to hear this happened Steph. I've been through similar heartbreak. It's an ugly situation all around.

Hugs

The Tin Mom · #32 03/09/12, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoubleD

If I am I not mistaken this new adopted animal is a wolf hybrid?

You take it in, put it in close contact with prey and it acts out like a wolf and now it must pay with its life?

I'm no wolf lover, but I don't like to see the unnecessary slaughter of any animal' goats or wolves., Especially when the entire avoidable situation was created by an intelligent human being.

Such a shame.

Where is the humane society when you need them.

Only 25 posts.

Perhaps a troll?

Steph in MT · #33 03/09/12, 10:40 AM

Thank you everyone for your compassion and support. It means more than you'll ever know. I feel like I've failed my goats and the dog as well. I do know though that I did all I could do. My 50'x30' kennel where the dogs spend their daytime hours is 6 ft tall with wire overhang to prevent jumping the fence and digwire to prevent digging out. I've never seen a dog mangle, bend and chew chainlink fencing to get out like this one though...
On a hopeful note, my injured pygmy girl seems to be feeling a bit better! I actually had to chase her around to give her her antibiotic shot this morning!
Fingers crossed~
Thank you again for all the compassion and understanding. I wish I could give you all a big hug. You're a fine group of people! <3

Oat Bucket Farm · #34 03/09/12, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoubleD

If I am I not mistaken this new adopted animal is a wolf hybrid?

You take it in, put it in close contact with prey and it acts out like a wolf and now it must pay with its life?

I'm no wolf lover, but I don't like to see the unnecessary slaughter of any animal' goats or wolves., Especially when the entire avoidable situation was created by an intelligent human being.

Such a shame.

Where is the humane society when you need them.

We had a Pomeranian that killed chickens, rabbits, and kittens. What was her excuse? She sure wasn't any wolf dog. My border collie will happily kill ever chicken in the pen if she gets half a chance. She is no wolf hybrid either. Luckily, she leaves my goats alone and only goes after chickens that get into her yard. If she tried to dig under into the chicken pen, or go after the goats, she would be shot.

There are plenty of wolf hybrids who do not behave like this. I owned a wolf hybrid and she was a wonderful dog, that was great with everything.

And you are right, the OP is an intelligent human being. Sadly, not everyone is.

Sherry in Iowa · #35 03/09/12, 10:49 AM

We have a giant black dog..he was a stray and yeah..we gave him a home. The first 20 minutes he was here..I had 2 dead hens. That was 12 or so years ago and he is still here..lol. He is chained or in the shop during the day, depending on weather. He is off in the morning and evening for chore time. He is a big baby to us..but honestly..he doesn't care for anyone or anything that comes on the place besides us. We love him..he protects us. He just couldn't resist the chickens.

I had a blue healer/coyote cross that was the best dog I ever owned around livestock. Only thing she didn't like was cats. My point is..every dog has a weakness..some we work with, some we work around. This dog probably thought it was his "job" to do what he did. It's a hard call to make and we have taken a lot of crud from people for having our Socks on a chain all the time. The same people would shoot him if he killed one of their chickens.

I say again, whatever call people make, it's theirs to make.

I can't tell you how happy I am that the doe is doing so much better.

rileyjo · #36 03/09/12, 11:45 AM

I'm sorry. This is hard. I've been there with a rescue dog. I've done border collie rescue for many years.
Once a dog has killed another animal, they are no longer safe to rehome. One of my rescue collies went berserk and killed some lambs. He'd lived with sheep for 3 years. I put him down without hesitation.

I hope the condition of your goats improves and you yourself also heal from this quickly.