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Tallabred · #41 02/26/12, 10:17 AM

Sugar is a natural anti- inflammatory. I learned this from my vet when my mare had a prolasped uterous. He said that it will draw the edema out, allowing him to push it back in, and that it was easy to flush out afterward.

I use it on almost all injuries as a first step now.

copperpennykids · #42 02/26/12, 11:15 AM

Since the sugar is working so well I would just stick with that. The best time to sprinkle the golden seal and slippery elm would be before applying the sugar (kind of an under base).

Penicillin - 10ccs 2X/day if she really is a 200 lb. goat. Sub Q is actually better than IM.

10 days on the penicillin. Absolute minimum is 7 days - and in such a sensitive place sticking with 10 day protocol would be best.

I agree that honey is awesome (for other kinds of wounds we use Golden Seal powder, Slippery Elm and Myrhh mixed together and moistened with honey - awesome stuff. ) Perhaps once the wound is mostly healed you could switch to that.

Do take her temperature once a day to watch out for secondary infection and potential change in protocol.

I wouldn't try to save that skin flap - it may be helpful to protect the healing tissue below, but it may also keep it too moist. Very likely that that skin flap will die and need to be clipped off. You will have to best evaluate what to do as you look at it - just remember, clean and dry are your goals.

Ford Zoo · #43 02/26/12, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by beccachow

Kris, I used honey on my GSD's pressure sore when he was paralyzed...that thing was so deep you could see the hip bone. I used other stuff as well, of course, but the things that stuck with me were being told to keep the hole open to prevent closing infection in, constant dressing changes, don't use peroxide after the first day or two, and my own experience using honey and dressings. Of course the down side with an out door animal is that you must keep an eye on the site as it will draw bugs and dirt. Honey is an ancient remedy that is overlooked by modern medicine; the egyptians were using it thousands of years ago for the beneficial anti-biotic qualities in it.

Can you lay the skin flap over the wound? I would also try wet-to-dry dressings to keep that area moist for healing and hopefully to reattach the skin flap, if it isn't too late.

As for kidding, do you have any one around you that can spare some milk, preferably a way to get some colustrum, just in case? Store it up if you can.

((HUGS))

From a medical perspective-Deep wounds are generally packed wet to dry to allow the wound to heal from the inside out. But superficial wounds (including those going thru all the layers of the skin) can be allowed to dry. We see alot of deep wounds at work, but have only seen one patient where the doctor prescribed a honey based salve for treatment. It was healing nicely and the patient wasn't on loads of antibiotics. Perhaps our other docs could have learned from this.

goatkid · #44 02/26/12, 02:36 PM

Penn-G is the best antibiotic to use for injuries like that. My vet had me give it to a pregnant goat and said it was safe. Her kids were fine. I've been told to give it subQ for 10 days. With pennicillin, it's important to be sure you're not injecting it into a vein as that can kill a goat. I also agree with those who said chlorhexadine is best to clean the wound with.

mary,tx · #45 02/26/12, 02:41 PM

If you decide to stitch, I have used a needle and dental floss, successfully. I can't tell from the picture what I would do in this case.

TroutRiver · #46 02/26/12, 06:03 PM

Thank you all SO much for your advice, I really, seriously cannot stress enough how thankful I am to you all. I don't know what I would have done. You guys are SO much better than my vet, and I mean that 100%!

The wound is staying very dry. The sugar gave it a nice barrier and artificial scab, so there is no soft flesh exposed anymore. It is far too late to stitch, and I think that not stitching was probably the right choice, after hearing what you all had to say. The swelling and heat has gone down nearly 100%, I don't feel any hardness in the udder at all. For once the cold weather is working in my favor

I will continue the PenG for 10 days, and will post an update in a few days. We are trying to attack this thing aggressively from every possible angle (conventional antibiotics, homeopathy, herbal medicine, etc) and so far she is looking really good. I just hope she can hold out for a couple more weeks on the kids. She is notorious for bagging up and looking ready weeks before she actually kids, so hopefully we've still got some time

Thank you all again. This is such a valuable source of information. All of you combined know a world more about goats than my vet does, and you don't rob me blind when I have an emergency

Patrick · #47 02/26/12, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

I think you are doing *everything* humanly possible. Good job. :thumb

Everything? Calling the vet in for such a severe wound is not humanly possible?

yarrow · #48 02/26/12, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Everything? Calling the vet in for such a severe wound is not humanly possible?

ah... and just what do YOU think a vet would have done for her.. that wasn't done???? actually that wound wasn't that SEVERE.. it was ugly.. but not a horrid injury.. easily taken care at home, if treated correctly..

susie, mo ozarks

GoldenWood Farm · #49 02/26/12, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yarrow

ah... and just what do YOU think a vet would have done for her.. that wasn't done???? actually that wound wasn't that SEVERE.. it was ugly.. but not a horrid injury.. easily taken care at home, if treated correctly..

susie, mo ozarks

Thank you Susie for saying something. I was having to bite my tongue.

Justine

Missy M · #50 02/26/12, 07:05 PM

Don't know if it was mentioned, but Blu-Kote will cover this and help to keep it clean.

francismilker · #51 02/27/12, 11:00 AM

Get online and google search some stuff called "underwoods" spray. It's made for horse wounds but has been successful at treating lots of other injuries like that for me. I wouldn't worry about it personally.

If you've given her a shot of penG and she's active, it'll heal up in no time. Animals have an ability to heal on their own most of the time without human intervention. However, if you want them to be "good as new" or "original" you need to get them to a professional as soon as it happens. Most of the time it's too late for stitches by the time we find it.

Govero Farms · #52 02/27/12, 12:10 PM

YES ditto on the underwoods med!! They work SOOO GOOD!! I have that. It is a must to have. It does work work well! My vet love that stuff. LOL

**mygoat** · #53 02/27/12, 12:19 PM

I've seen a horn injury similar to that. Not all horns are sharp enough puncture, but if they hook then throw their head up (as they normally do), it can rip the skin instead of puncture.

If it were me, I'd rinse with chlorhexadine/genetle iodine and cover with a gauze patch. Hopefully the other goats will leave it alone, lol. Because it hurts, I doubt she'll allow other goats to touch it too much.

I'd do antibiotics if necessary. I rarely use them - you'd be suprised what the body can do on it's own. If you do antibiotics, don't bother with probiotics until the treatment round is done - the antibiotics will just kill the probiotics as you give it to them, and they won't benefit the animal during the treatment period.

wigg · #54 02/28/12, 10:26 PM

Use an antibiotic powder (sp? Nitrofurizone) or the powder they use on horses to prevent proud flesh. Either one will help dry and heal without covering it. I don't think you should cover with anything but the powder.

Sherry in Iowa · #55 02/29/12, 09:00 AM

Trout River..

I do applaud you! You are doing great. I think as the flap of skin dries..I would very gently trim it on the dead, dry part. Just a little at a time as it gets dried out.

Also, there may come a point where you will have to put something on the new skin that grows in..something to soften it so it won't crack. At least the cold brutal part of winter is past..that helps.

I am so delighted for you. You cannot beat honey and sugar for wounds. They both really lessen scar tissue too. Keep up the great work!!

Backfourty,MI. · #56 02/29/12, 09:45 AM

I don't have any advice to give but have been following your thread & just wanted to say I hope your doe is doing much better. Sounds like your doing a Great job!

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