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Backfourty,MI. 01/30/12 11:32 AM

Ditto What thaiblue said. Keep her in the house with the other bottle baby.

I have made the little coats out of sweatshirt sleeves & also out of those big insulated type socks. Use the top of the sock for around the neck-cut to desired length & cut a couple holes for thew front legs.
I have a couple momma's that really don't like the coats on their kids though but yours will be in the house with you.

How's the latest babies & momma doing?

Pony 01/30/12 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by prairiedog (Post 5670220)
The tide bottle was a warm water bottle

Yup. Laundry detergent bottles make great hot water bottles. No leaks. :)

Linsay2231 01/30/12 01:52 PM

Thanks for the support everyone (except Patrick, lol).

The baby wasn't looking good a few hours ago...her breathing slowed and she was shaking. She wouldn't eat and I really thought we were at the end of the line for her. I was getting a little emotional, so I wrapped her in a warm towel, put her in front of the register, and headed to the library with the kids for a little while. I really figured she would be gone when I got home. Imagine my surprise when I got home to her walking and bouncing around my kitchen crying for food!! She gulped down 4oz and stayed up and around for about 30 mins while the human kids loved on her. I figured that was enough excitement for her and wrapped her back up and put her in front of the register again, she wiggled her way out and ran around for a few more minutes! She is finally sleeping now....but WOW, what a surprise! It may be a bad thing but I am getting my hopes up now...I haven't before this point because I fully understand how dangerous it was for her to not even register a temp on the thermometer when I brought her in the house as a cold little popsicle kid....my thermometer starts registering at 85 degrees!! I am amazed and positive, but still optimistic. My daughter named her Lucky :-)

The twins outside are doing great...you can't even tell the doeling was weak to begin with anymore. Healthy, healthy. My daughter named them Blackie and ------ (------ is brown, lol) :-)

Linsay2231 01/30/12 01:55 PM

Oh yeah, I already had sweaters on them as soon as they were dry. You may have actually learned the sweater trick from me when I posted this pic when our very first doeling, Sheep, was born... :-)

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...1/DSCF7007.jpg

Lada 01/30/12 02:17 PM

Glad she's doing well. I really think keeping them warm if they've been chilled once, is the best. I had one that got chilled at birth and we really had to work at keeping her warm until she was a few months old. If she got cold at all, she'd start to get sluggish.

Jyllie63 01/30/12 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Linsay2231 (Post 5670789)
Thanks for the support everyone (except Patrick, lol).

The baby wasn't looking good a few hours ago...her breathing slowed and she was shaking. She wouldn't eat and I really thought we were at the end of the line for her. I was getting a little emotional, so I wrapped her in a warm towel, put her in front of the register, and headed to the library with the kids for a little while. I really figured she would be gone when I got home. Imagine my surprise when I got home to her walking and bouncing around my kitchen crying for food!! She gulped down 4oz and stayed up and around for about 30 mins while the human kids loved on her. I figured that was enough excitement for her and wrapped her back up and put her in front of the register again, she wiggled her way out and ran around for a few more minutes! She is finally sleeping now....but WOW, what a surprise! It may be a bad thing but I am getting my hopes up now...I haven't before this point because I fully understand how dangerous it was for her to not even register a temp on the thermometer when I brought her in the house as a cold little popsicle kid....my thermometer starts registering at 85 degrees!! I am amazed and positive, but still optimistic. My daughter named her Lucky :-)

The twins outside are doing great...you can't even tell the doeling was weak to begin with anymore. Healthy, healthy. My daughter named them Blackie and ------ (------ is brown, lol) :-)

This brought happy tears to my eyes :) .

Donna1982 01/30/12 02:41 PM

Your daughter picked a great name. I am so happy she is hanging in there. Also love the picture of the baby in the shirt so cute.

Pamela Jean 01/30/12 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Linsay2231 (Post 5670789)
Thanks for the support everyone (except Patrick, lol).

The baby wasn't looking good a few hours ago...her breathing slowed and she was shaking. She wouldn't eat and I really thought we were at the end of the line for her. I was getting a little emotional, so I wrapped her in a warm towel, put her in front of the register, and headed to the library with the kids for a little while. I really figured she would be gone when I got home. Imagine my surprise when I got home to her walking and bouncing around my kitchen crying for food!! She gulped down 4oz and stayed up and around for about 30 mins while the human kids loved on her. I figured that was enough excitement for her and wrapped her back up and put her in front of the register again, she wiggled her way out and ran around for a few more minutes! She is finally sleeping now....but WOW, what a surprise! It may be a bad thing but I am getting my hopes up now...I haven't before this point because I fully understand how dangerous it was for her to not even register a temp on the thermometer when I brought her in the house as a cold little popsicle kid....my thermometer starts registering at 85 degrees!! I am amazed and positive, but still optimistic. My daughter named her Lucky :-)

The twins outside are doing great...you can't even tell the doeling was weak to begin with anymore. Healthy, healthy. My daughter named them Blackie and ------ (------ is brown, lol) :-)

I had a baby last year that had trouble keeping temp up I took one of the 8 hour heat wraps you can get for the back it had a little sticky tab on each end fastened the tab inside the goat sweater put on baby he was able to move around and still stay warm after a few days he no longer need the extra heat and you do not have to worry about burning them.

Backfourty,MI. 01/30/12 04:28 PM

So glad you came home to a good surprise Lindsay! Your little girl has picked some pretty good names too & I bet those little one's(human) are going to spoil Lucky Rotten!
Thanks for the update & pictures.

Pony 01/30/12 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazydaisy67 (Post 5670409)
In my neck of the woods the vets don't know anything about goats. They treat them like calves since they're both ruminants and chuckle when you try to tell them anything different! I finally found ONE vet who will give me pretty much any kind of medication or wormer I want. I just walk in, tell him how many goats I need to treat, approximate weight and he calculates the amount I need. Having said that, he probably wouldn't be available for a middle of the night emergency of any kind, but for the most part I think I could at least stabilize them until morning. Sadly, sometimes no matter how hard you try, a baby will die for some reason or another, but those experiences can be learned from to prevent loss in the future.
I've also learned that with all the good information out there, you will come across some bad advice as well. You have to learn what to take to heart and what to chuck. Vets aren't always the best source of info concerning goats unless they specialize, which is rare in cattle and hog country. Some of the best advice and guidance I've gotten is from 'old-timers' that have raised goats for 30+ years.

So true! Also, if a vet does any goat work, it's usually meat - and there's a big difference between a Boer and a Nubian!

It's fortunate when you get a vet who realizes that the one mini-clinic they did in school is not enough to "know" goats. Finding a vet who will listen, consider what you as a goat owner know, and work with you is a blessing.

beccachow 01/30/12 05:11 PM

Awww, come on,Lucky!!! We need some good goatie news!

BethW 01/30/12 05:21 PM

Hang in there Lucky! We're rooting for you, little sweet pea:)

Minelson 01/30/12 06:04 PM

Thinking about Lucky! :)

Ranger 01/30/12 09:38 PM

I'm so glad that she's doing so much better. I'll bet that you were ready to cry when you saw her bouncing around!!

mpete 01/30/12 09:59 PM

You don't know how wonderful it is to hear good news.

Suzyq2u 01/31/12 07:10 AM

How are all the kiddos this morning?

Linsay2231 01/31/12 07:14 AM

All the outside kids are good. We had a buckling born last night too....last of the babies until April...total count 5 doelings, 2 bucklings....no losses thus far :-)

Lucky seems to be doing well. She moves around more now...even ate 6oz this morning for breakfast...but I do not think she has pooped since yesterday morning...she is peeing regularly though. What can I do to make her bowels get moving? Thanks!

Shygal 01/31/12 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Linsay2231 (Post 5672356)
What can I do to make her bowels get moving? Thanks!

Put her on the most expensive, whitest carpet you have in the house....

Lada 01/31/12 07:19 AM

The momma will lick their bottoms to make sure they are clean and to keep things moving. Take a warm wet washcloth and make sure she's clean and there's nothing blocking her up and see if that helps.

Ross 01/31/12 07:22 AM

We use metamucil in the replacer or maybe she needs an enema. I wouldn't think milk would cause issues if she's on milk. Maybe a teaspoon in 500mils of replacer. Not much at any rate. Mineral oil works too, like 2cc's (amounts vary with the size of the animal) We have hard water so I add about 10% more water than called for too, in the replacer mix.

Ross 01/31/12 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shygal (Post 5672363)
Put her on the most expensive, whitest carpet you have in the house....

LOL Yeah that'd do it too! :hysterical:

Pony 01/31/12 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shygal (Post 5672363)
Put her on the most expensive, whitest carpet you have in the house....

Oh, I'm so glad I swallowed my coffee before I read this!

Where's the "like" button when ya need it? :)

thaiblue12 01/31/12 09:54 AM

Do not use Metamucil or anything thing like that, just keep milk in her stomach.
If the warm wet washcloth does not work then I use Pedialax I buy the liquid kind that comes in a bulb, available at grocery stores and pharmacies.
My guys are tiny so I draw some out with a syrgine that has a longer tip then the standard kind. I insert it about 1 cc and massage for a minute and then they poop within 60 seconds.
But she may very well be pooping, if you have dogs in the house they may get that super tasty :yuck: colostrum poop before you see it. Two of mine follow the goat kids around like they are treat dispensers. So make sure before you torture her with a suppository that the dogs are not cleaning up, I did that once and I felt bad. She had nothing and was crying and straining and it was the darn dogs.

mpete 01/31/12 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony (Post 5672380)
Oh, I'm so glad I swallowed my coffee before I read this!

Where's the "like" button when ya need it? :)

YEP!!!! :rock:

mpete 01/31/12 10:08 AM

I wouldn't worry about it unless she does not go for a day... sometimes we just miss them going, but also, it may just be "collecting" for a big poop. One of my c-section babies last year didn't go for a whole day, when he did finally go, it was like that yellow poop that they do... I think it has something to do with the body going from colostrum to milk.... not sure though.

mpete 01/31/12 10:08 AM

oh, and yes, we would do the momma clean the butt thing when they would eat, and that does stimulate them to eat and poop

Pony 01/31/12 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thaiblue12 (Post 5672697)
But she may very well be pooping, if you have dogs in the house they may get that super tasty :yuck: colostrum poop before you see it. Two of mine follow the goat kids around like they are treat dispensers.

Okay, gonna be gross here.

Had a friend whose dog did that. We'd yell at her, "NO SOFT SERVE!!" as we chased her away.

mpete 01/31/12 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pony (Post 5672781)
Okay, gonna be gross here.

Had a friend whose dog did that. We'd yell at her, "NO SOFT SERVE!!" as we chased her away.


***** still laughing too hard to respond******

Pony 01/31/12 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mpete (Post 5672789)
***** still laughing too hard to respond******

Who but you folks would understand? :bouncy:

:goodjob:

Ross 01/31/12 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thaiblue12 (Post 5672697)
Do not use Metamucil or anything thing like that, just keep milk in her stomach.

OK why? (agree milk is far better than replacer) It was advice from my vet and has worked for dozens of lambs over the years, can goats be that different? Would be good to know!!

beccachow 01/31/12 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shygal (Post 5672363)
Put her on the most expensive, whitest carpet you have in the house....

:rotfl: If we were in the basement of this forum you would have received the coveted Spew Alert, lol!

beccachow 01/31/12 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pony (Post 5672781)
Okay, gonna be gross here.

Had a friend whose dog did that. We'd yell at her, "NO SOFT SERVE!!" as we chased her away.

:hysterical:!!!!!!!!!

Goatsandsheep 01/31/12 04:56 PM

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What can I do to make her bowels get moving?
Vet had me add one teaspoon of canola oil to my bottle baby last year to help keep bowels moving and it helps stop bloat too. Shelly

Ross 01/31/12 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatsandsheep (Post 5673619)
Vet had me add one teaspoon of canola oil to my bottle baby last year to help keep bowels moving and it helps stop bloat too. Shelly

I've done that too.

thaiblue12 01/31/12 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross (Post 5673336)
OK why? (agree milk is far better than replacer) It was advice from my vet and has worked for dozens of lambs over the years, can goats be that different? Would be good to know!!

Because goat kids that young and hers might be a preemie only have one working chamber at that time. They cannot process things as well and Metamucil, Milk of Magnesia ( sp?) things like that which may force them to void the contents of their stomachs as well as their bowels; and may cause scours. That is not a good thing in such a tiny kid and brings up a whole other set of problems, one that a wash cloth or suppository can fix pretty quick.

We all know goats are different, they are smarter and cuter ;) lol or maybe goats are just more pesky escape artists. Nah I'd go with the former :D

Minelson 01/31/12 05:58 PM

deleted...I was typing on the wrong thread!!

Ross 01/31/12 06:02 PM

I have to say I've seen none of the problems you're suggesting and I've seen lambs so premmie they have no wool. Baby goats are cuter that's for sure, or maybe I'm just too used to lambs! Someday I'd like to have a couple/few Saanes. Is that spelled right?

thaiblue12 01/31/12 06:08 PM

Saanen. You like white animals? You need some color lol.

Do the lambs with no wool survive? Goat kids that preemie do not.
Give a goat milk of magnesia and it all comes out, I have done it and I would not on a goat kid that little. I have done Metamucil on a goat who had eaten pounds of sand due to an ulcer, it expands in there and pushes it all out. Well in her case it did not :( different story.

Ross 01/31/12 06:31 PM

Some times yes most times no but it seems a respritory failure is to blame more than its digestion. No idea about milk of magnesia, I don't think I've even seen it available. A shame because I used to like it for myself!

Critters escape mostly in summer, white is easier to see running off...... no really I just like them.

Linsay2231 01/31/12 08:21 PM

Update time...shortly after I asked about the poop...she took care of the problem herself so no worries there. She held her temp and chased my human kids around the house all day, eating 6oz at a time every 4 hours. I decided to take her (and my week and a half old bottle baby) out to the barn to meet the other goats and see how it goes.

We got out there and went into the huge (like 15'x15') stall I have Hazel and her babies in (the goat the just had the twins). So after we went in there were 4 babies and one momma goat. The momma goat immediately started cleaning both of the new babies and let them both nurse, I was amazed...she is sooo easygoing! I stayed out there for about an hour, checked Lucky's temp and it was normal...so I decided to give them a few hours. Every time I checked on them everyone was happy, either playing or laying in a pile of 4 babies! Lucky looks no different than the rest of them out there :-)

I took a bottle out a minute ago and gave all 4 of the kids a chance to drink, just in case...but all of them took a few tiny sucks and were done...so I guess they are getting enough. Hazel has a huuuge udder...so now to my next question. Is there any possible way she can raise these 4 goats..or perhaps I need to go out once or twice a day and offer them a bottle just in case? ?

Thanks everyone, I am so glad everything is looking up...and it sure is nice to have a goatless house again!


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