Temp is great & it sounds like she's doing great!
I wanna know about the doe with the string of goo too, did you get her locked into a kidding stall? Any more babies yet?

I agree that if the teeth are not through she may be a little early.

She is so young that may be able to foster her on the doe who is currently kidding if you get her warmed up and take her out. Especially if the doe has a single. Rub some birth goo on her and present her as the last baby for licking. You might need to supervise for a while (as in be up all night) but it would save you a lot of bottle feeding.

You are such a good mama! I sure hope she pulls through, and it sounds like she sure is on the right track :) She is just too cute for words!

Just reading this! Happy baby is on the mend! Great job!!

How is momma? Has her milk come in yet? What is her CAE status?

Could also be edema..... One of mom's minis freshened with edema & we couldn't get much from her. Several hot compresses helped immediately (We heated several damp hand towels in the microwave until very hot, placed in a lunch box cooler & toted to the barn. Shook one out so it was as warm as could be without burning, then held on udder & massaged until cool, then swapped out with a fresh towel) Gave raspberry leaf capsules, & vitamin C chewables & it cleared away completely by the next day.

Hope your next doe due has a smooth kidding :)

Hope she pulls through this for you

Love the pics! She is soooo darn cute! :)

How would that be different than tubing?
Is there any training to do this?
How much Dextrose is recommended?

What a little darling. I'm so glad that she's doing better.

We have 2 more babies from the doe with the goop...one tiiiny doeling and one huuuuuge buckling that stood up literally 5 seconds after he came out!

I took the little doeling outside and smeared mom's goop on her...she accepted her immediatly and cleaned her and even let her nurse...but less than an hour out there and she was shivering and had a temp of 97....so back inside she came to sleep wrapped up next to the register.

To make matters worse...the tiiiiny doeling that was just born isn't doing well...she was trying with all her might to get up for a good 45 mins before she just gave up. I held her up so she could nurse from mom and she did...but what a bummer...gave her some BoSe...I hope when I go to check in a little while she has improved!

Momma from the first doe is fine...no milk at all...completely empty udder :-( She is CAE neg. Momma from the second babies is great, very full udder and taking care of her babies :-)

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Meeting the doeling that isnt hers
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Momma letting the little doeling that isn't hers nurse, with her bucking nursing on the other side :-)
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awe. Is there a way to put a heat lamp out there? I wonder why she isn't producing her own heat? I hope you can still give the babies back to her tomorrow

No way to put a heat lamp out there.....its the basement of a barn and doesnt get very cold anyway. I only brought the original doeling in...the other 2 are out there with momma. I think she is not holding her temp because she was a preemie...that is my best guess???

It's not injected into the stomach its into the cavity surrounding the stomach. I learned it from Laura Lawsons books. I use about 5cc's of boiling water (let it get sterile so a good hard boil) then add 5cc's of 50% dextrose from the frig. That brings the temp down and the dextrose is diluted (probably not 30% exactly but hey I need a method for using when half asleep) Any how with the lamb (or kid presumably) laying on its back on your kness you inject at a 45 degree angle into the stomach area, about an inch (really depends on the baby's size) to the left of the navel and half an inch down. Its not sub Q or IM its right in. Might be best to ask your vet to show you or I wonder if there's an online demonstration.

Great news on the revival though I really like the baby in a plastic bag swim trunks idea, you keep it dry and the scent on the baby for mum! :)

A Vitamin B complex shot helps them metabolize foods better, maybe it would help? Sometimes stressed babies get constipated which stops feeding and processing. Have you seen her poop yet?

yes, she has peed and pooped several times already

Well thats good news! I wonder do mama goats object to having a coat on their babies? Like this one for lambs?
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Available here
http://seregonmap.com/b2c/index.htm


We just sew up some out of wool blanket material, crude but effective.

Linsay this brings on tears of joy I just want to hug you you are doing great! How is baby now? Is her temp still normal? And surrogate doe took her? Whoo hoo!

Just want to add, anytime you'all have a cold kid that needs warming up you put him in garbage bag then immerse in comfortably hot water with head propped up. When water cools add some more hot.
Dry any wet areas with towels directly from dryer. Or microwave as mentioned. Massage vigorously while drying. Put in box with heating pad & a few towels over & under.
Feed kid when temp reaches 100. If mouth is cold he's not ready.

Just got in from checking on the doe and her twins. The doeling that was a twin is standing now, although it is on shaky legs....I saw her nurse while I was out there so I feed confident leaving them until early morning. I also took the other little doeling out there and momma let her nurse again!

The little doeling that originated this thread is back in the house, wrapped in a towel in front of the heater vent now that I took her out to nurse. She is back up to temp, 102.1 a few mins ago. The surrogate doe did take her, but then I had to bring her back in because she cant seem to keep her temp unless she is wrapped up in front of the heater vent :-( I did not clean off the doe goop and if she is doing well in the morning I will try reuniting them again.

Goodness I am tired! I am off to bottle feed my little doe from last week and get a few hours of sleep! Thanks all :-)

Thats great that the other doe will let her nurse :)

If the original doeling was a preemie, will the other doe eventually come into milk? Or do they usually do it when the kids are born, no matter if its early or not?

You are right,that is probably why her first died, no milk :(

If this is mom's second time with no milk, you might suspect CAE unless mom has been tested negative or those babies are preemies. The sheep version of CAE is called OPP (ovine progressive pneumonia) and its nickname is "hardbag"...major symptom is NO MILK, not even a drop, at lambing time. I've heard CAE can show up in goats with same symptoms? Others may want to weigh in on it, but just my two cents. If you haven't tested yet, you may want to. We test yearly.

Both of the baby goats that I left outside are doing awesome this morning, the little doeling is getting more sturdy :-)

The doeling inside is still alive, she doesnt seem to want to stand, but she did guzzle down 2 oz of colostrum and is resting now.

keep taking the inside doeling out to nurse from her new mom - it will help make her stronger, keep them bonded, and keep the does milk production up for her "triplets". Also use only colostrum and milk from the new mom to bottle feed so she smells right.

She definitely sounds like a premie with that temp regulation issue. It may take her a week to get it under control. You will need to let her adjust to cooler temperatures too - if you keeep your house really warm it will be hard for her to make the transition to 40 degrees - but her new mom and siblings should be willing to cuddle her

Great job Linsay! When my own dd was born as a preemie, the main reason she had to stay in the hospital was to regulate her own body heat. I also remember them telling me that taking her in an out of the isolette burned calories and she needed all she could get. So I think you are doing the right thing by keeping that little goat inside with a heat source. I'd say she needs heat and rest right now (assuming she is a preemie). I'm so glad the other doe accepted her! How nice that she knows how to nurse from her already :)

Crossing my fingers that the 'triplet' makes it and you are able to completely graft her onto her new mama. SO glad the new girl is getting stronger. <<<hugs>> to you- you've done a tremendous job!

Some of my momma's do, they will use their teeth & pull on them to get them off their babies. Some don't mind.
Now I use hot water bottles under towels & the babies snuggle there.

So glad she is doing well!!!!!

Since it's now Monday morning, I assumed that you've called the vet, since she's still not doing well?

We can all assume you haven't read the thread.

Had you read it, you would know that she's doing VERY well, and all are happy, warm, and fed.

'Sides that, not everyone has access to or can afford vets. We do the best we can with what we have.

BTW, Linsay: Once again, GREAT JOB! :thumb:

For what?

What exactly is a vet, probably one not versed in goat care, going to do for this baby that Lindsey isn't?

Supporting the baby until it has 'caught up' with a regular newborn doesn't require a vet's care.
:rolleyes:

+1. :)

Eggzackly! :sing:

This is the second time you've came into a thread with advice that doesn't apply and without reading the whole thread.

I am not sure if I read it on this forum or not but I cut the sleeves out of a sweat shirt, cut the cuff off and cut 2 holes in it for legs. Just slip it over her head. If needed you can put 2 on the kid.
Glad to hear everyone is doing better.

Lindsey you are doing great and I am glad shes doing better. Just do me a favor and remember with not only having your two own babies and now bottle babies to take care of take a second to yourself so you dont get overwhelmed.

Can't wait to see this little one grow up. I have a goat that was about 2 weeks early. Nearly lost her a half of dozen times and she is now catching up and is doing great. Just small for her age but I don't care shes alive.

Wow, what a good goat mama you are! I have not heard that does positive for CAE don't have any milk. I've read and been told that they can pass it to their kids by nursing, so if there's any chance that mama has it, you have to take the kids off immediately after birth and bottle feed them. The other thing I've heard is that you CAN milk mama by hand and then pasteurize the colostrum and later, the milk before you bottle feed the kids, but most people don't recommend it because it's too tricky and time consuming. I guess I just assumed that meant that CAE positive does can and do come into milk.
If this mama was 2nd freshener and had triplets, my guess would be the little one is just little cause the other buckling was SO big???? I'm certainly not an expert. I would probably just bottle feed her and keep her in the house at night to maintain that body temp and make sure she gets as much milk in her as possible, just to get her caught up to the other ones.

SO glad to hear she's doing ok......poor widdle ting! She is adorable by the way.

Oh, great idea!

We have a resale shop here that sells clothes for REAL cheap. I think I'll bop up there and pick up some little sweat shirts just to be on the safe side.

We use the bottom half of sweat pant legs.

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The tide bottle was a warm water bottle

Yay that is great, I am sure they are keeping you hopping :)

I would just keep the preemie with your other bottle doeling, bottle kids do better in pairs. Plus she needs the extra warmth, attention and milk, since that doe already has three on her she may not get enough if she gets weak.

All kids have trouble regulating their temps the first week.
When I have had unplanned Winter kids I put them in little dog coats. I get them at this time on clearance in most stores. I have made them in the past but prefer to buy them for $2.50 rather then stab myself in the dark at 3 am sewing them into coats. Thankfully I have not literally sewed them in, which I worry about when super tired :)



Patrick why would she spend $100 or so dollars on a vet who is going to tell her " Keep the kid warm, dry, fed and give a Bo-Se shot" Well she already did all that. There are times you need a vet and times you do not.
Do you have any goats?
If you do, do you run them to the vet for every sniffle?

In my neck of the woods the vets don't know anything about goats. They treat them like calves since they're both ruminants and chuckle when you try to tell them anything different! I finally found ONE vet who will give me pretty much any kind of medication or wormer I want. I just walk in, tell him how many goats I need to treat, approximate weight and he calculates the amount I need. Having said that, he probably wouldn't be available for a middle of the night emergency of any kind, but for the most part I think I could at least stabilize them until morning. Sadly, sometimes no matter how hard you try, a baby will die for some reason or another, but those experiences can be learned from to prevent loss in the future.
I've also learned that with all the good information out there, you will come across some bad advice as well. You have to learn what to take to heart and what to chuck. Vets aren't always the best source of info concerning goats unless they specialize, which is rare in cattle and hog country. Some of the best advice and guidance I've gotten is from 'old-timers' that have raised goats for 30+ years.