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Alice In TX/MO · #41 01/26/12, 03:20 PM

Kids that young don't have active rumens yet.

http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/4H/meat...atgoatfs14.htm
When a goat kid is born, its rumen, reticulum and omasum are very tiny and not useful. The goat kid depends on a liquid, milk, not roughage for its feed source. When the kid swallows milk, the milk goes directly to the abomasum through the esophageal groove. Everytime the kid swallows, a flap of skin at the entrance to the rumen folds over to form a grove that bypasses the rumen and sends the milk straight to the abomasum to be digested by stomach acid. As the kid gets older, he starts trying to consume roughage. The rumen becomes active and starts to enlarge. Its population of micro-organisms increases. The reticulum and omasum also respond to the changes in diet by getting bigger. By the time the kid is an adult goat, roughage is his main source of food and his rumen is far larger than his abomasum.

Personally, I wouldn't force food on her, but DO check to see if the nipple is too big for her, feeding the milk too fast, etc.

Backfourty,MI. · #42 01/26/12, 03:36 PM

Do not give her electrolytes or probios. A baby 3 days old should only have momma's colustrum & milk. Either goats milk or whole milk from the store if no goats milk available.

What about pooping & peeing? Could she be constipated?
Keep her warm & trying different nipples. I think sometimes they are just stubborn.

kandmcockrell · #43 01/26/12, 03:40 PM

Thanks Backfourty and Alice. She is pooping and peeing. The nipple should be fine, she used it yesterday, no problem. Was better than her sister with it. I do have one other one i can try if she does not want this one.

So, what do i do if she will not take from any nipple i have?

Jyllie63 · #44 01/26/12, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

Do not give her electrolytes or probios. A baby 3 days old should only have momma's colustrum & milk. Either goats milk or whole milk from the store if no goats milk available.

What about pooping & peeing? Could she be constipated?
Keep her warm & trying different nipples. I think sometimes they are just stubborn.

Katie, I didn't know this. I thought probios was good at any age. Thanks for chiming in

Backfourty,MI. · #45 01/26/12, 03:44 PM

Usually when they get hungry enough they will nurse. She's been on a bottle since birth right? I'm guessing it's from what ever infection or what's going on with her.
Keep up with the antibiotics. Are you giving them SQ? They will probly work faster & better if you give them that way other than orally, really not good for their tummies especially at such a young age.

Keeping my fingers crossed for your little gal.

Backfourty,MI. · #46 01/26/12, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jyllie63

Katie, I didn't know this. I thought probios was good at any age. Thanks for chiming in

I think that's kinda what Alice was saying too above when talking about the working rumens. Probios paste is to help keep the rumen functioning properly. At this young age they don't have rumens yet. Well they have rumens but not working yet.

Backfourty,MI. · #47 01/26/12, 03:54 PM

Sent you a PM kandmcockrell with my phone number if you need me to post questions for you tonight since you don't have interent at home.

Donna1982 · #48 01/26/12, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Backfourty,MI.

Sent you a PM kandmcockrell with my phone number if you need me to post questions for you tonight since you don't have interent at home.

See thats why I like you. Such a sweetie. Kandmcockrell we've had ones that would use the same nipples for weeks then all of a sudden they hated it. Hope she gets better soon.

kandmcockrell · #49 01/27/12, 08:11 AM

Thanks everyone. I got her to eat a couple ounces last night. And this morning she ate about 4. She pooped this morning, it was mustard barries stuck together. Her temp is hovering around 102.7, some times a little higher, sometimes a little lower. She is not peeing much, but i am sure that is due to not eating. Hopefully, the more i can get her to eat the better that will do.

I had Surprise, which was Sassy's doeling from last year kid yesterday. This was her first time, she had a single. Another doe. I will get pictures and post as soon as i can.

i only give the bo-se once right? and the B complex and antibiotic once a day? I am giving her PenG right now but have some Tylan 200 being picked up today. No one had the Nuflor.

cayenne47 · #50 01/27/12, 08:54 AM

As long as she's eating, pooping, and doesn't have a fever...I wouldn't give antibiotics. It really screws up their tummies. And yes..once on the bo-se. Again, if she's doing well, back off on the Vit B and meds. Sometimes we have the tendency to throw everything in the book at them, when all they need is a little time

( I am guilty of this too)

Alice In TX/MO · #51 01/27/12, 08:58 AM

No fever, normal poop. If all else looks good, I'd not do the antibiotics.

kandmcockrell · #52 01/27/12, 09:21 AM

That makes sense on the fever. It is what i would do with the human kids. She is still really shaky and weak.
I am getting the anti toxin today, should i still give her that or no?

Alice In TX/MO · #53 01/27/12, 09:31 AM

Yes. I would.

prairiedog · #54 01/27/12, 09:59 AM

Can you give her sub q fluids that would give her a boost too.

mpete · #55 01/27/12, 10:25 AM

You can do a warm water enema .... that helps them get hydrated very quicly

kandmcockrell · #56 01/27/12, 10:32 AM

Prairiedog: how would i do that and what would i use?

Mpete: how and with what?

thaiblue12 · #57 01/27/12, 10:57 AM

I would not give her the anti-toxin, she has no symptoms of being bloated or having entero. I would not throw everything but the kitchen sink at such a tiny baby.

If Tylan 200 is the same as LA200 it stings like a booger. I used it once, they screamed like I was killing them. LA200/Tylan 200 if it is the same thing is like Biomycin, not Nuflor and I would not use it either since you already hit her with PenG. If you cannot get Nuflor, and her temp goes up again I would use the PenG since there is nothing else available.

I would give her nothing orally except for milk.

You are getting lots of advice from the net, which is hard to diagnois from, is there anyway you can get advice from a vet? Or take her in to be looked at?

Backfourty,MI. · #58 01/27/12, 11:11 AM

I also would back off all the med's if she is pooping & peeing & no fever. I wouldn't give the antitoxin either for the same reasons that thai stated.
Only milk in her tummy & keep a close eye on her.

If you decide to give her the antitoxin because you feel that's best then it is 10cc for a baby, SQ. Do it over the ribs, although I don't think she needs it either.

kandmcockrell · #59 01/27/12, 12:05 PM

now her temp is low 99.7. And her breathing is different. not quite labored, but normal either. There is no vet around here that knows anything about goats. the nearest is 2 hours one way.

thaiblue12 · #60 01/27/12, 12:41 PM

Low temp is not good, high is preferrable. Do not feed her anything right now, warm her up and get her temp back to normal before you put anything in her stomach. Microwave towels, get a hot water bottle, but get her temp back up asap. If you get her back up to 101 then give her some nice warm milk.