Where to order ammonium chloride?

I've tried that number if times because Red pushes their feeder upside-down and it spills. My boys will eat around it. Any ideas how to get them to actually eat it with the feed? It would set my mind at ease. Also how much do you use?

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I get Ac from here http://www.hoeggerfarmyard.com/xcart...de-2-lbs..html
I make "dosage balls" using peanut better and Slippery Elm Bark and Frankie (my wether) gets his treat every day. Flossie and Gretta get a Frosted Mini Wheat so they don't feel neglected.

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When I use to sprinkle it on their feed I would use a little vegetable oil to make it stick. I tried the molasses & the boys didn't like that & I tried doing like Alice does & when they were done eating most of the ac would be in the bottom of their bowls.

I used to make Minelsons dosage balls & the boys liked them pretty good.

For those that already have UC though you'll want to start out with a treatment dose then go to something like the dosage balls or topdressing the food for maintenence.

Thanks so much, backfourty! I think I've got some local, will know for sure in the morning I am giving him what the vet sent and going to give him VitC, too. Both acidify, so I figure it won't hurt to do both (though I had to wince when he winced when he pee'd). But he is able to pee

Thanks everyone! Dial-up makes it so hard to try finding something. I found 1 on Amazon, whatever it is cost $69? Anyway, I hopefully have some on the way and since I have to add to food, he is getting more than he was before LOL

Oh, and I found out today he will totally snub peanut butter

My two boys share about 3/4 scoop of meat goat pellets (Ntimidator which is alfalfa based), free choice coastal hay & 1 1/2 scoops of alfalfa pellets per day.

I top dress their grain with AC. They aren't crazy about treats or dosage balls, & will push the feed around if top dressed dry. If I put oil in it, they won't touch it

So, I have one of those tiny spray bottles from the beauty supply store. I have honey water with a drop of vanilla extract in it....Smells great! I lightly spritz the grain, sprinkle on the AC, & they go nuts over it. I also have AC mixed in their loose minerals.

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I actually don't use AC for UC in bucks. I had my $1000 buck get UC just before Christmas and to boot it was later at night by the time I noticed him having problems as well. I was unable to get any AC from anywhere unless I ordered it online. I frantically contacted his breeder hoping and praying she would have some advise and she told me to get raw Apple Cider Vinegar into him ASAP.

I did 60cc's with a little bit of almond milk in it the first time and every two hours he go 30cc's of it until I saw him pee a steady stream. It worked! I started this at 11pm at night and within less than 24hrs he was able to pee and was fine. The almond milk was to help get the ACV down him easier.

I now plan on giving the boys 30cc's of ACV twice every week help keep stones from forming. My boy's breeder recommended this and I am anxious/curious to see how it works out. This is just my two cents and I know some people may not agree and that is totally fine . I just know that the ACV helped save my expensive buck and I am very thankful for that.

Justine

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Goldenwood, my vet knows a man who does the same with very little problem. He also, if he sees a problem, will throw the goat, catheterize and flush with ACV. (I can't imagine trying that!, but thought it worth mentioning.)

Apple cider vinegar doesn't have enough acid in it to dissolve urinary stones, But it's surely not going to hurt them. Mine love it in their drinking water.
I'm glad it worked in your case Goldenwood but I would be afraid to just rely on ACV after having to take a buck to the vet & have his pizzle cut off. The vet also told me to use the Ammonium Chloride.
Vicki McGaugh use to say the same thing, to use AC & that the Apple cider vinegar won't dissolve the stones.

Carol, the Manna Pro Goat Mineral you can get at Tractor Supply has AC in it as well. I haven't tried it but searching AC on Jeffer's site gave me a hit on it, and reading the description says it has AC in it.

There's also a one pound container of it on Amazon, it's $5 plus $5.49 shipping though.
http://www.amazon.com/Ammonium-Chlor...7416537&sr=8-1


I need to go to the feed store today and will ask if he can get it, if so and you still need some let me know and I'll try to get some to you. There's also a feed mill just over the line into TN that I've bought feed from before that I might be able to get it from. I've been meaning to get some anyway, just to have on hand.

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Sonja, I would. Not sure and now I'll have to go check, but he's on the Manna Pro minerals already, I hadn't even thought to look at it. I surely wasn't expecting to have a problem since he didn't get grain, and have to wonder if we don't have a high silica content around here? Or maybe it is hereditary

Lonestar, I'll see how he likes honey :-)

Goldenwood, I'll do the AC because Doc thinks it's best but plan to add ACV too, because I know it won't hurt and can hope it adds the extra help. He had to lose quite a bit and can't have another and still be able to breed. So, I'm going to try anything within reason not to have to take him back to the vet in such misery.

Thanks all for the great help!

Carol~ there is a feedmill in Cullman. Next to the railroad tracks behind the rally's. It doesn't sell direct to the public, I asked when we first moved here, but they supply the fellow who runs the feedlot I used to go to ~the one without a store, just the wharehouse. I think you've been there before, the one I used to go to before you got me going to chambers. He might have the AC, I didn't think about them yesterday. If your going to cullman just stop in and ask, can't hurt.

Grain is not the only thing that can cause stones in a male goat. It can be from high iron in your water, the calcium to phosphorus ratio being off in his system & I do think a goats chemical makeup can have an effect on which one gets stones & which one doesn't if there all eating the same.

Its good your mineral has AC in it & that will help but don't trust mineral or food that has AC in it to take care of his problem since he has stones now, he's still going to need extra AC for a couple weeks to clear up his system. It will definately help after you get him cleared up & figure out what's causing them though.

Tallabred has had good luck with Vitamin C too, maybe he'd like some orange flavored chewable tablets & then they could be like a treat for him daily.

Keeping my fingers crossed for your guy, nothing worse than when one of our goats are sick & I'm sure yours doesn't feel so good right now, poor little guy.

I have city water, and it's not supposed to have much iron. I know it doesn't stain.

Yes, he will get the extra AC now, and I'll be dressing his food with a little extra after we get finished with flushing him. And I'm giving him C for good measure. I keep it on hand for his mate. She's not happy he's getting all _her_ treats LOL

Good idea, Cheryl, didn't even think of them! Duh!

Actually, as soon as I unloaded him, I could tell he felt a LOT better. He was dragging me all over trying to catch up on the eating he hadn't been doing. And I know it's so mean, but I had to laugh when he was totally lost when he couldn't do his normal "hygiene maneuver" this morning (Huh? Why can't I reach?) He was tossing his head, stretching his neck and trying again. Sure hope he gets limber enough...

I hope everything works out CarolT, it is scary to have it happen. It was the first time I have ever dealt with it in almost 10yrs. It just had to be my $1000 buck that got it .

Justine

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Ouch. He was only $50... Kind of. I got him and the Nubian female for $50 each. Or she was $100 and he was free. Had to take him to get her LOL He's a sweetie, but a severe fence offender.