Scours in adult goats

I just read the wormer link that I posted to find the info on Quest & I guess your right on the dosage. It says it's 4 times stronger than Cydectin.

Can you have a fecal done to find out if you used the appropiate wromer for what ever parasite they may have? Maybe they need a different wormer.

Well Daisy the 3 year old not eating one is back to normal today. there was a bunch of dog poop type piles in the shed but havent seen her go yet today. She is acting normal and eating like a cow now. I gave her some CD antitoxin orally just as an in case since I only injected it yesterday.
Now I can focus on the younger un named doe that has the chronic something going on. I am trying to get a fecal on her today. I will probably do a group sample along with her sample just to get an idea. I started her on 1000 mg albon today and gave her some oral antitoxin and b vitamins. This doe does have paler membranes. Daisys membranes have been a very nice red pink all along.

The in-house fecal I did showed 3 coccidia cysts and 7 barberpole eggs. The parasites I was expecting to see. Just not sure the significance of the numbers. Doesn't seem high. The lab might see different.

also should mention, they probably got more like 0.7 cc of quest as I always overload on case of spit out. I used to give cydectin pour on orally but I ran out a couple months ago.

You sure they're only 40 and 50lbs? That seems REALLY small for does that are big enough to be kidding out. Even nigies. Can you, or can you get someone to stand on bath scale and measure them?

HC (barberpole) is not something to mess around with. Reworm now, then worm again 10-14 days later. This also shoudl be done on the day they kid.

What are their temps?

I'd also treat for enterotoxemia, cheap and can't hurt 'em.

Probiotics are suggested.

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

The older one may be bigger then 50, but certainly not more then 70 so dose should have been ok. The smaller one is 40 ish pounds, I can pick her up no problem and she is about the same or less then the alfalfa pellet bag. She should be more but has lost weight and doesnt carry much in her rumen like the others. They always have barberpole eggs for the last 3 years Ive had them in fecals. there is no eliminating them here. Its been a struggle. I never had much problem with the goats, nice good immune systems. The sheep on the other hand.
When i give ivermectin I overdose by alot because i know it is safe. I hesitate to do that with moxidectin. I give 1 cc each goat usually but this last go around I was afraid to do that to a goat already sick.
I do have levimasole I got from the U.K. that i got as a wormer of last resort. I gave some to the scouring one with no improvement. Think that was about a week ago. I mark all these things on my calander but need a better system to remember
I doubt that was daisys problem since she is doing 100% better today. If it would be prudent to give everyone more wormer I will. 7 eggs on the slide is alot then?
I guess if this little doe has poor immunity to it, and the dewormers arent working anymore for it, not sure what else to do. Give a huge dose of quest, more levimasole, or maybe both? I had her for a year prior to this and she has always had good resistence untill now. Of course she never kidded either.

I believe it's Levamisole is the one that has a VERY narrow range of safety. I THINK moxidectin is fairly safe, it's in the same class as Ivermectin (Avermectins).

No, 7 eggs/slide doesn't seem like a TON but with your symtoms it's all we've got to suggest.

Did you treat both with CD antitoxin or just the one that's better?

I also really suggest probiotics. Do they have baking soda available?

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

yes on the soda but they never touch it, sick one thats better was drenched with it. They got probios, alot! They love it. I gave the sick one injected antitoxin yesterday and oral today. Gave the chronic one oral today but will inject tomorrow when I have help. I guess I will deworm with quest and a big dose, maybe one cc, and levamisole. I have corid and sulmet that I can give, Used up all the albon on the sick one.
Thinking back Im wondering if it isnt just worms, because we had a thaw about 10 days ago. It was swampy and wet. I got to 56 degrees one day.

Corid is not a treatment for cocci in severe cases... it can reduce numbers over time, but it is not really a treatment. Sulmet is a treatment but many places/herds find it does not work very well. Sulfadimethoxine is ideal (albon, dimethox). You can get albon boluses for larger size goats - but it still may be economical to use, say, 40% injectible on them because they are so small.

If you still suspect worms I'd take another fecal in. Maybe try a different office to run it and see what they come out as?

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Dona Barski

"Breed the best, eat the rest"

Caprice Acres

French and American Alpines. CAE, Johnes neg herd. Abscess free. LA, DHIR.

I read that fecal myself, and sent one in to the lab also. I will see what the lab says, its alot more accurate!

My vet moved this past summer and I have been searching (in vain) to find another one. This week I took a sample in to have a fecal done at a vet I had heard good things about...

They called with results the same day..."common intestinal parasites"....Uh, I figured that...which ones and how many? "They look so similar...if you want further information, we'll need to send it to an outside lab."

On the second sample (adult Nubian doe with mucusy poop) Veredict...cocci

His suggestion for the parasites....Panacur

Treatment for cocci....corid

Panacur NEVER took out HC (barberpole) in my experience...

Another vet told me that you can't get enough Corid in a goat to kill Cocci without killing the goat. Not to mention, that corid inhibits thiamine uptake and depletes selenium...

Scratch that vet....

I actually work at a vet so can read my own fecals. I thought it would be a good idea to do my own before sending it out just in case they dont specify the type of "herbivore strongyloides" since thats all they say when they are found in dogs that eat deer poo.
If they dont at least i know its HC.
the dog/cat vet there asked me what I saw. She goes, Oh give panacur for that! She looked at me like I was nuts when I said that doesnt work in goats. Then she said they would just reinfect themselves...well, yeah, its kind of the way herbivores work....

After you've given the C & D Antitoxin the girls will need a booster of their CD & T vaccine in 2 or 3 weeks when their better.

I think I would give the one that's still feeling bad the Baking soda drench too & also keep up on the Probios paste daily until their eating good & back to normal.

So the fecal says 1+ eimeria so its likely not that. It says 3+ stronyle eggs so that's the hc eggs I saw. The weird thing is it showed 1+ entamoeba. Not alot of info on that but what I could find says wouldn't cause problem if the goat kind.